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Not just the nazi app, but the app that went to court so they can continue selling their A.I. that creates CSAM

besides all that, what would even be the point? do they think it'd be just like in the "good old days"? which were a bit shit btw? no, it wouldn't be, nothing will ever be, time's arrow being time's arrow, what has been learnt cannot be unlearnt, and you'll never be who you were 10 years ago

Sounds like you did a good job with that one exception.

I left for the same reasons I leave any physical places that Nazis and white supremacists feel welcome, safe, or even a little comfortable. It wasn't a temporary move as I don't see any benefit to returning.

1) The content and reach aren't worth the pits of corrosive slime you have to go through to get them. 2) X advocates likely (like the anti-divorce and -no contact people) need victims, and I see no reason to give them one. 3) If there's someone who I don't want to help, it would be the owner of X.

But dude, there is "so much more interaction (likes and retweets) over there." People are morons

but the parking lot was full so I ….

I just can't. Maybe after the issue works its way through the courts. June 2026 article: www.wired.com/story/grok-i...

There's a saying "if there are 10 Nazis sitting at a table and you sit next to them and become friendly with them, there are now 11 Nazis at the table."

I go one step further and say "you do you, but if the place online you're happiest is the pedophile-friendly nazi bar, I'm going to make some assumptions about the kind of person you are."

You completely missed the point.

if one sits with Nazis…

I don't often drink beer, but when I do, I drink Bluesky

Might I recommend taking a look at @xblock.aendra.dev ?

I mean-- not right away. Maybe in a couple months.

Ok. Well I'll see if I can convince all the AI based chat bots that exist to flood X/Twitter and bsky and FB/Meta and every other social media site with so much spam their servers catch on fire and all die.

Yeah fr. I got up from the Nazi table a long time ago. I'm not sitting back down at it again.

No. Nay. Never. I do not go back to something I have rejected so vehemently.

If you call it twitter instead of shitter you are already suspect

Very occasionally go to read a tweet in its natural environment, and immediately realise it is still a sewer, that is only getting deeper and fouler And as algorithms go, "for you" appears to mean "we hate you, here's some shit to upset you" Not going back

X posts are little magnetic filings, and X is a nice big magnet that gathers them all up, so I don't have to wade through them all. Thanks, X.

How many Twitter nazis have you persuaded to stop being nazis?

I got permabanned on that shithole for inviting Louis Mosley to come to my town for some of the same treatment his fascist bitch of a grandfather and his blackshirts did, when citizens threw bricks at them til they ran away.

The left is still well represented on X.

No one changes their mind because of something said to them on Twitter Some get overwhelmed by the lies, but me going there isn't going to stop Musk proliferatiing the bullshit Best option is to keep people away from it

I cut ties with non-leftists because they: Are for immigrants in concentration camps Claim schools are forcing kids to be trans Want gays killed or forced to be straight Hate persons of color Hate women Want to force women to carry rape pregnancies to term Refuse to give kids free lunch

I honestly think it'd be more worth trying to push for a leftist presence of *Truth Social* than on Twitter, if only because there's probably less spam to contend with.

Good Maude PLEASE say that again for the well-meaning "journalists" in the back: JUST BEING ON TWITTER DOES NOT MAKE YOU HEARD

Elon Musk = leave X.

It is only by going to meet these people where they are and having open, honest dialogue with them that we will finally make inroads among the coveted Russian automation tools demographic

How tf are you supposed to persuade anyone when Elon’s thumb is on the algorithm amplifying Nazis and Russian bots and shadow-banning anyone to the left of Mitch McConnell? It’s a mug’s game.

Left leaning political statements get buried by the algorithm and never seen. It's a losing battle.

Ok... Are you currently posting on 4chan's /pol or /b boards regularly? Do I need to ask why not?

Then what are you doing here? You have important work to do!!

Oh, you sweet summer child… 😂🤣

Life is too short for that nonsense.

You could use the same argument for insisting that we all spend our Sundays in Evangelical Christian churches, or attend Trump rallies. I tend to think that building spaces (in the real world as well as online) that people would rather spend time in is more powerful than trying to argue 'x' is bad.

You seem like an ok sort, but this is the entire point. Let them jerk each other off in an echo chamber. Devalue the space until it's just the nazi bar.

1. The right always had monopolized spaces. Right now it just happens to be X. 2. At this point, the platform is so skewed toward a particular oligarch's interests that it's nearly useless for having a real conversation. Yelling at bots, shills, and troll farm members is a waste of resources.

There is no persuasion.

I really wish I could get my Uncle Bill's lesson on the Transitive Property of Nazism into textbooks. To wit: Nazism is transferred to any who accept its presence. If you hang out with Nazis, you are a Nazi. If you remain friends with a Nazi, you are a Nazi. X is a Nazi site. The rest is just math.

What evidence do you have that persuasion online works in any meaningful way? Can you point to 3 examples in the past 10 years where interaction with left-leaning voters persuaded significant #s of MAGA members to be less racist, sexist, or fascist?

X is already that space, because it's owned by a Nazi who can lift up whichever voices he wants and silence those he doesn't. This is just rationalization for doing what you want, not a real, serious concern, otherwise you'd be spending your time at Republican conventions.

But X *intentionally* pushed itself into a Nazi echo chamber, bots included. I’d rather not have my algorithm be full of that garbage

Rational argument and persuasion are not effective in an environment rife with misinformation and populated by members of a personality cult. 🤷

Persuade them? Really? Us being there before didn't stop it from happening. They LIKE this. They ENJOY watching these chuckleheads hurt people. It's a waste of energy trying to get them back because you never will.

I gain nothing by conversing with people who want me dead because of what I am.

It’s giving money to a man who funds fascism and transphobia. But you do you.

The problem is we were all losing tons of engagement to the right-wing accounts long before we left. I'm not sure going back solves that problem. The algorithm was against us as soon as Musk took over.

X doesn't really have that many users, you're better at TikTok or Instagram if you want to talk to "the other side"

What persuasion did the left achieve with engaging others on X? Because to me it looks like fuck all

They hate it when they only have themselves & bots to talk to. Just as the Star Trek entity in Day of the Dove, they feed on anger & hatred & argument, and they can't get that with each other. That's why they come here, & get quickly frustrated when we mass block & refuse to engage with them.

people can not listen to what I'm saying over here just as well as anywhere, no need to be a dog running after cars

Being on X legitimizes the platform. It’s a right wing site; you’re only helping preserve the illusion that it’s not.

This makes the case for all users to set up accounts on Truth Social and Parler

There is no talking people out of radicalization when it's so algorithmically biased that people become more conservative simply by continuing to be there. theconversation.com/a-few-weeks-... Everyone should be talked out of being there at all.

My take: even if everyone from the center all the way to the far left went back, en masse, to posting and engaging on X, it will barely make a dent in the site, because the owner wants it to be a space for free-range radicalization and will always keep his finger on the scale to enable it.

So....do you frequent Nazi bars so you can engage in persuading Nazis?

What if a *2nd* site owned by a trillionaire fascist who also bankrolls the the GOP, continuously pushes support for Russia over Ukraine, gives voice to "Nazi's were cool" enthusiasts, and happily allows CSAM -- will we need to join that one too? What about a 3rd? Do we need to join them all?

A social media app under the ownership of a neo-Nazi simply is not a constructive place for dialogue. You will not succeed in deradicalizing anyone on Shitter. The website will radicalize you instead.

This is "Harris touring with Cheney" thinking. Didn't work then, won't work now.

We legit tried for a while and it did not work. There are other things I can do that are more productive.

You can't persuade a bot, and that's most of what you'd be engaging with on X.

How often is persuasion actually happening, though?

The real answer here is that ALL pro-MAGA posters on X are bots. They are either Russian bots or brain-washed MAGA bots. There is no point in arguing with them.

NOPE

Both the right and the left self-segregate the majority of the time.

This sort of centrist thinking is what helped get us into this mess in the first place, so hard pass on engaging with the extreme right shitheads.

And i'm saying that as being there from 2010, meeting many of my friend there, my partner, etc... I owe a lot to the people i meet there, but it became unusable after Musk bought it and far-right engagement were amplified. Every sane people i know left it for either bluesky or mastodon.

I can only speak for myself, but: I spent 16 years on Twitter. I got a lot of value out of it, but I do not believe persuasion is much of what happened there. Not at the best of times, and definitely not now.

Engage with people in real life if that's your concern, but we know damn well how social media rots brains. It's been studied!

Are you equally concerned about the platform segregation on Truth Social?

how naïve would you characterize yourself as being?

Ignore it....it will die like MAGA will

"why aren't you debating and convincing people who are literally calling for your friends and family to be murdered?"

Stop living in fear.

Look, I tried I got banned because I hurt the feelings of a nazi

I've cut ties with non-Democrats IRL. I don't need that toxicity in my life, whether in realspace or virtual space. Also, I'm not here to *debate* anyone. I'm here to talk about art, cats, and build community while bashing the fuck out of the current administration. I'm not the Nazi whisperer.

Counterpoint: don't hang out with fascists.

this is an incredibly dimwitted comment because the right is entirely detached from reality and beyond anything where discussion will bring them back, while the left is trying to survive the calamity unleashed by the former deprogramming one single person takes years.

underrated answer! i wish i had written this!

You assumed I assumed that. The rest are people like you, hanging out in the Nazi bar. Also, analogy is a foreign concept for you, I guess 🙄 But go on, keep supporting this guy 👇 and keep doubling down on the ratio, because obviously self-reflection is also a foreign concept for you.

Maybe if we try to understand their concerns about how my friends and family aren’t really humans a little harder this time it will work.

It tends to legitimize their viewpoint, and moves liberals to the right…

No sane person would walk into a Nazi bar in real life. Why do you expect people to use Nazi platforms with attached pedo porn generators?

Every time I look at Twitter the first thing I see is shitty people saying shitty things. Why should I feel obligated to hang out there? I have enough to do in my own life.

I'm not trying to persuade them because I do not have to. We are the majority. If we organize ourselves, we win. On the other hand, THEY need US. They can't win unless they interact with us: spreading FUD, planting/reinforcing wedge issues, & doing whatever they can to split & suppress our vote.

no one has ever been persuaded to change their views when given evidence which contradicts their views. you can’t win people over by debate

Nah, I'm not condoning the billionaire pedophile playground.

I’ve read many “conversations” on social media. Nobody is ever persuaded of anything. It’s hard enough in real life, when you’re able to look someone in the eye and smile.

Won't SOMEONE think of the nazi social media?

"without engaging others" I was on twitter during gamergate and for many years after. "engaging" with those people just doesn't work. They are not there to learn, they are there to troll and abuse. All you will do is add to your stress. You're far better off focusing your energy elsewhere.

As a sociologist you should frankly understand better.

I'm sure others have said it but: the algorithm is sabotaged and there's already no hope

"The concern I have with the entire left boycotting Nazi rallies is that,...."

There are lots of people on here who I’d love to meet for a coffee someday (even ones I disagree with). There probably isn’t a single one on X that I feel the same way about. Sometimes it’s just as simple as that.

Fucking seize it and shut it the fuck down. Same with Fox News. IDGAF anymore...it's those platforms or the Republic. Choose.

I have toyed with rejoining to argue against the right wing arses but a) I think it would be like Cuchulain pushing against the waves b) I don't want to contribute to membership figures c) surely I can come up with a better use of my time

indeed, no way should one go back to Twitter. It is dead. X is a graveyard. What does X even mean, multiplication, x marks the spot, halogyn, Roman 10 or just a unimaginative person who cannot think up a proper name? Just wondering.

The Susan Collins philosophy, and why we elect Dems but eventually let Reps back into office. We’re too weak to stick to anything permanently or legitimately fix anything, and far too willing to believe they’ve “learned their lesson”. The world should not trust us again until we stop this habit.

I thought the debate was stay here or quit short form social media entirely. 😅

Pass

There’s nobody there

I mean, AI generated CSAM is all you should have to say

Not going back

I only want to go back with the sole reason of fucking with musky until i get banned. I should only be gone 20 minutes

Literally why would one want to do that?

I’m told that Tesla makes the best solar storage battery. I won’t buy it. It’s easy to boycott the horrible cars. Sadly I can’t boycott SpaceX because I don’t purchase rockets. I’m never gonna use X, or insta or fb again. Billionaires openly bringing in genocidal fascism.

What pisses me off is that so many people and institutions consider this a legitimate source of information. It is a white power site. Stop sharing things from it, people.