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Only if you’re a really dumb guy, Paul

Kinda feels like you can suck me from the back, Paul

The CEO of a social media company shitposting in response to a serious question is, at best, a bad look. We don't want Elon Musk. That's why we're here.

Oh yeah being dismissive when you intentionally ignore your own TOS to protect a transphobe is so zany, you're just a bunch of goofy little guys

Could you explain the point that was proven?

Talking to the person in charge about a member of their site who is regularly calling for violence and using hateful and dehumanizing language against a protected group isn’t exactly out of the blue, is it? And then jay mocked people calling their concerns irrelevant because it was directly related?

It doesn't.

Not I don’t think it does

now you're pretending she had a "point." she could've just said nothing. sorry it's tedious to do your job & that people are daring to speak to each other on your social media site, that sounds rough.

Goddamn, you guys really just love bigots don't you?

Are you fucking kidding me

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Or that we might very well, quite possibly, live in a world with 1 more Caesar.

No, "waffles" refers to a random, out of place comment on a random subject. what is going on with Jay is a direct, specific act to call out bad behavior and try to help improve our site for all of us.

but you fuck one goat...

At the risk of blowing up my mentions (having a handful of real followers is nice actually), what has Singal done that you think merits banning? I'm not trying to argue for one side. I'm genuinely curious. I know the issues with his reporting, but that doesn't seem worth a ban to me. Is there more?

Such as by suggesting perhaps the moderation team, or moderation AI (??) not ban swaths of trans people while evil people are allowed to exist on your app unimpeded

But that's exactly what she is you royal dip shit

Could also be you're not cut out for this

She is childish. Only a child would equate these things and expect to be taken seriously. The fact you think you have the moral high ground because one frustrated poster slipped up and used a slur is comedically stupid.

Fucking state of you

I do tend to agree with folks that the response was “childish,” because it did rub me the wrong way and I would’ve preferred a more respectful response than whatever that was, but I don’t think I’d call her a harsh name for it. Just respectfully disagree that it was okay behavior.

Criticism sucks, I know. But when in a position of public facing leadership, you are going to receive it. A thick skin is necessary. Those who feel like their daily existence is being actively threatened may not speak with the same niceties of those who are more comfortable.

This is not an endorsement of calling anyone a bitch, but you're really placing these two things on equal footing? Are you sure you guys are ready for the responsibility of running a social media website? Do you never struggle with self doubt about this, question your actions, etc?

you're so right Paul, you're the real childish bitch here

Well maybe if you guys wanna sell a protocol instead of running a platform you goober ass dorks could’ve hired someone who doesn’t suck at running social media platforms to run your display showroom for some fucking code

Cool, you know what gives me the ick? The New York Post being allowed to post clear, obvious stochastic terrorism to this platform without so much as a slap on the wrist. Throwing trans users under the bus 24/7. If you like & approve of transphobia, just say it with your whole chest.

“your hypocrisy gives me the ick” “yeeh well you pointing out my hypocrisy gives me the ick, so i guess that’s where we’re at”

Ok, maybe do your job tho instead of crying, then people won't call yall childish

There's a solution to that: Jay Groyper could stop acting like a childish bitch.

Ya know what gives me the ick @pfrazee.com? The fact you continue to allow Jesse Singal, someone who encourages harassment of trans users for (checks notes) existing, and who thinks pedophiles should have more access to the internet, to spread all that creepiness across BlueSky. Trust and safety?

Honey yall are all way too close to this. You’ve brought your personal selves to an internet forum. You need some space and some professional pr people, and maybe some more clearly defined rules.

How about me calling you a childish bitch? Just trying to establish where the line is

It's cool how much you guys get to talk about how you hate trans people.

Guess what you're doing right now.

Can you see how Jay's response could be seen as mocking marginalized people? That doesn't make what the person you are responding to said correct or appropriate,but it sure as hell doesn't make Jay right either.

The bitch part is bad but the criticism is valid. Are you ok with letting bigots distill their prejudice here? It's the nazi bar story. If transphobes feel safe here they will turn this shit into their transphobe bar. And terfs are very cozy with nazis, fascists and the likes.

Buddy you really are a fucking terrible fit to work in social media if this is the way you handle things. All of you desperately need to hand your jobs over to someone who isn't shit.

Has Jay tried not being one?

You're a childish bitch too, if that soothes your tummy at all.

It's telling that your ick is a pretty mild, juvenile derogative grade school children use regularly, and not the countless instances of harassment, threats and dehumanization trans people face on your site constantly with no intervention from the mods at all

Just pretend that Jay is trans and the person calling Jay that was an outspoken nazi and you’ll be more comfortable with it.

She replied to a serious question with bullshit. She gave a hundred thousand people the ick. Who the fuck cares about your ick of someone’s reaction to something repulsive. Grow the fuck up.

Sounds like a problem a childish bitch would have tbh

Incredibly unprofessional way to represent yourself and the company given you retroactively changed the TOS after the aforementioned user violated it by sending death threats.

Little baby

exactly this, this is a PR nightmare.

I prefer it this way, tbh, getting lied to a comms team isn't any better then get lied to by the owner directly. let them show us who they are.

Oh no someone made a boo boo in your little heart :( oh no so you're gonna cry cry to your boss momma🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

What gives me the ick is that yall want to police what art we can produce on this site, when moderation tools exist explicitly, supposedly, to allow people to see what they want to see and what they dont want to see.

Bro what are you a 62 year old boomer? Like its a minor insult to a dumb post. Get over yourself.

Just corncobbing in real time, huh?

you're a childish genocide supporting cunt nugget Paul that's where we're at.

Someone offended white woman and you're all up in your feelings about it but opening your doors and catering to a known stochastic terrorist is a-ok by your busted moral compass Can you just imagine what it's like being trans online Relocating every few years Fuck you

Ok so harassing trans people is a-ok but don't you dare make fun of the mods

amazing how people are no longer afraid to be this dumb in public these days

Oh no not the ick, fucking millennial ass post

I always thought his name was Paul

There's the substance of the signal issue, and then there's the pattern of behavior that jay was responding to -- the constant, _constant_ off topic responses that make this tedious. On the substance, it's really just that the guy didn't violate the ToS. I'm sorry, that's just it

Never apologize for calling either of these guys bitches. They’re smugly hiding behind an ancient twitter meme to avoid taking any responsibility for the website they operate

Calling someone a bitch, as bad as it is, pales in comparison with people who call for the violence and dehumanization of entire groups of people. And that's what apparently eludes @pfrazee.com and @jay.bsky.team. C'mon, folks. You gotta do better, or else this platform will go the way of Musk.

Singal Issue Voter

hope yall having fun working on bigot mode cant wait for that feature 🧘‍♀️

you're right, she's not childish, she's an infantile dunce who apparently aims to fail upward

You being flippant about legitimate concerns of trans people gives many of us the ick. Just like how you are bending the knee to insane id verification laws that you can't even justify gives us the ice.

actually we think both you and jay are being childish, immature, and extremely unprofessional, and you have both demonstrated that neither of you is qualified to hold the jobs that you do

Cunt

What an asshole response. Absolutely just shitty behaviour to attack people who have legitimate concerns.

youre also a childish bitch, btw

Embarrassing response and a blatant false equivalence

To be fair, what "gives you the ick" is very heavily balanced in favor of keeping you personally comfycozy and what gives us the ick is people building a big case for our extermination so it's just like, your opinion, man.

It's so easy to not be like this. Fix your hearts

WAFFLES

If the shoe fits... Unless someone made actionable threats then Jay needs to stop being a crybaby and do the job she signed up for. The response in question was the peak of childish And you too, you are an adult running a company. IDGAF about your ick, you aren't in kindergarten Ban Singal

If you don t want het to be called a childish bitch, tell her to stop behaving like one. Once again you're complaining about hurt feelings while your policies have literally gotten people killed.

yall didn’t learn anything from the fall of Twitter, did you?

I've heard that "tHe iCk" can be fatal to people with thin skins. 🤞🏻

You do understand that your own site is against you, right? That doing this will destroy BlueSky? But more importantly, you are just flat out in the wrong. You defend the indefensible, and get reactionary to people doing much less in response. You are the issue here.

Are there consequences for giving you the "ick" or can we call someone a childish bitch if they are a childish bitch?

Holy shit. I knew it was bad, but these people should not be in charge of anything.

she’s acting like a 12-year-old mean girl, is that better Paul? fucking nerd

You are all being childish idiots I don’t know what to tell you other than get better at ur job or let someone else do it

I mean if the shoe fits... Just because it gives you the ick doesn't mean it's not true. Put aside your own personal feelings and look at this shit objectively. Jay needs to be outed from the goddamn role and someone competent needs to fill it.

Childish posting doesn't warrant childish moderation let's be a little serious man

Is BS above complaint? It’s fantastic to hear BS leadership hears the feedback but after 10 months here I rejoined Twitter a week ago (feels like an AA meeting) because aside from far less representation from everyone I used to follow there it does feel like you’re restriction clamps are engaging

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No it makes both of you look incredibly tone deaf and insensitive to a Nazi that is endangering users on this platform. So maybe you should both grow up and do your jobs, yes?

"I'm getting criticism and that only proves me right" That is quickly becoming the most tired, irritating thought-terminating rhetoric.

no, not really. it’s just illustrating your users are pissed and you’re fumbling it

I'm coming into this fray in middle & thanks no algorithm I can’t tell what was the beginning middle or end of the situation to understand what’s happening All I see are people yelling @ waffles without context from people who are in charge? That's yall's management model & your *point*? #Elon

Feel like you libertarian dudebros love missing the point, pal.

antagonizing your userbase seems...dumb? especially when you know they mostly migrated here because of poor treatment elsewhere

Come on, dude.

well if feedback or help requests about the far right troll problem actually got any kind of response or action or even sincere acknowledgement, we wouldn't have to be annoying you all in your replies

Yep. A silly conversation about unnecessary contentiousness on social media (pancakes vs waffles) was hijacked into yet another rant-thread about Jesse Singal. People aren't going to get their way on this just by being loud and belligerent. Doesn't stop them from trying, though.

That point being?

What was the point other than making a joke in response to a dangerous transphobe on the platform. Sorta confused on that one. Secondly it's messed up because she doesn't have to make jokes about it. People fear for their lives enough, do they need to be made fun of too? Super poor taste.

If that is what you think, there is no hope to be had here. Just a complete failure to reflect on what happened.

The meme is dead now, sorry. It's like if...idk, Obama tried to use it in a televised debate or something. Instant meme death.

I was one of the first people to join bluesky, I met Jay in person at her Seattle Meet and greet back when the site was in beta. We just want you to ban the nazis, Paul...