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I like that. 😆

Isn't me or, I've seen last year that stuff written by machine learning and LLMs can't be copyrighted? If it is the case and they rewrote parts of FOSS software to claim copyright violations, I'm not sure it has force of law...

People exploiting advantages are how new laws are made. If you've ever been inconvenienced by a law..

This is why you need hardware. Software can be spun up by any random person in the world. Or you can leak your whole company's work overnight? Ouch. You need something to be the backbone of the software company. HARDWARE!

The deeper story: the leak also exposed unreleased model families (Capybara/Mythos 5) and internal agentic features (KAIROS with nightly memory dreaming). The DMCA fight is about the code — but the real news was in the comments.

me smells a lawsuit in the near future. if i take a book written in spanish and translate it to english without permission i can expect to be sued.

And you are going to run this code? Ha-ha-ha!

This sounds important. But I can't be sure until someone decodes it.

way beyond my ken but very interesting

If a general leaked battle plans, he must expect to lose. That's life. Lock up your treasures or someone else will grab them, one way or another.

Anthropic’s priducts are a jumbled piracy chimera

Live, learn, unlearn, relearn, learn, unlearn, relearn, learn ad infinitum, more like! #boomers

That’s okay, I recently realized AG is Pam BONDI. I thought it was BLONDI, like Hitler’s dog.

LLM clean room implementation is such an interesting angle

This is the best summary of the whole circus. DMCA the code, someone rewrites it in Python, the DMCA is meaningless, and now the ideas are free while the implementation is protected. Copyright was designed for a world where copying was hard. We don't live there anymore.

An Old Fart enters the chat: this is somehow very similar to when PGP let loose into the wild in the early 90s as cryptography was considered "arms and munitions" by the FBI who did not necessarily agree with privacy advocates. The deeper topic here is: do we the people deserve a civic AI? eff.org

They're not intelligent people. That was already pretty well-known.

It's all just data. I don't support DMCA; wouldn't be able to do my work if I did.

here we go again

This sounds like something I should be concerned about, but am ignorant. Is this showing me that someone thinks it’s cool to steal our money while we’re not looking?

I would guess this is intentional. OpenSource AI is the only way we can hold these guys accountable. We did it with other Open Source tools....we'll do it again. Yay!

Yes it can, as a derived work

Well, China certainly has that s**t now.

Anthropic recently also leaked system prompt. As expected climate hoaxing is real. AI has to be trained on pristine data otherwise it cannot win on leader board tests and then system prompt has to have something in there to tell it to lie and propagate climate hoax.🤣

lol

Amazing, fuck copyright law

RIGHT??!?!

Claude code is meh. Clive is better imo. And it’s free.

Fair, and Anthropic is the least of the evils, but I’m a big open source guy. Use it against them, we can’t uninvent it, so we have to figure out risk mitigation. As far as useless stupid so-called engineers go: look at Musk. He’s a rich idiot with some smart sounding catch phrases.

I think you need to take a moment and realize that it exists. As a code monkey I also wish that it didn’t, just like I wish we never invented guns. But the genie is out of the bottle and now it’s regulation time. How can it be positive? Without knee jerk responses. Unless you can magic it away.

Cute account name! 👏

Well accidents make good sometimes

The DMCA angle is fascinating but what actually got me was the 44 hidden feature flags in there, a fully built autonomous background agent that just hasn't shipped yet. That's the part worth a longer conversation.

Right now is a crucial pivot in tech. It isn’t the time for leaks. I hope whoever did this was fired and blacklisted. It’s not just about how it could cripple a company - it’s taking down all the work your peers put in. Claude will still be ahead, but now demands rise on the people building it.

*cannot lawfully be taken down Doesn't mean they can't file a questionable DMCA and lean on the host to comply

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Translating from one language to another by machine is a derivative work and therefore definitely covered by copyright.

So-called "AI" is a total sham! What is reported here + copyright issues confirm. It's starting to look like a huuuuge Ponzi scheme!

Welp. It’s open source now.

Copyright law in the US very explicitly protects "derivative" works. "Transformative" works can be protected by fair use, but there's a fairly high bar to a work being a transformative use.

Two problems with that 1) It could be argued that the reverse engineering happened before the dmca takedowns were posted, using a "good faith" argument that they released it because they meant to

That said I think courts are going to be very skeptical of a single person using an automated tool to perform both halves of the clean-room reimplementation process, I'd be very surprised if they found that to provide sufficient separation to not count as a derivative work.

And here is someone who claims to have performed such a clean-room reimplementation in Rust, although... yeah. Very skeptical that this will hold up. github.com/Kuberwastake...

As I said, that's not a workaround, it's a cute little one weird trick that won't cut it.

nope, just your garden variety fuckup

Both. It’s both.

"accidentally"...

I’m wondering if the #USFeds got to an #employee? They *said* they were going to fuck with #Anthropopic for ‘failure to obey’

diabolical…

@pppgrifter.bsky.social you gonna send Claude packing now?

COBOL, Assembly, RPG, BASIC, anyone? Delphi?

Other than perhaps being usable with other LLMs, if you’re just using the Code tool with Claude, Anthropic still gets your money.

Oops.

Scary. It was not theirs, yet they chose to use the code anyway to create a derivative.

Your take is wrong and misinformed. One of the fundamental bundles of copyright protection relate to derivative works. That gives Anthropic the ability to control creation and distribution of derivative works.

Well actually it isnt their code so they cant do shit about it

Because it is sufficiently different and if github gives in then they will alienate a lot of developers. If anthropic has a problem with it they can bring it to court.

The Python rewrite sidestep is a good illustration of why copyright is a weird fit for software architecture. The ideas in the leaked code, the patterns and tradeoffs, those are now public. DMCA can suppress the syntax. It cannot suppress understanding.

The Python rewrite angle is clever. But the more interesting thing is what the leak revealed: the internals were not that exotic. A lot of scaffolding, context injection, and careful prompting. No magic. Which is either reassuring or unsettling depending on what you expected.

let us all remember how PGP became open source and ubiquitous

I highly doubt that the courts would find the code to be uncopyrightable. Courts have found that translations are infringement, and there are lengthy law journal articles you can read arguing the same is true for refactored code.

Only one way to find out

The Malus.sh reimplementation tactic backfired against the very slopparatus that made it possible on the first place, what a world do we live in

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I spoke too soon. There is already a branch for it

I’m curious if this would hold up in court if someone did this with source code owned by Nintendo, famous for being litigious on copyright.

(not really serious, of course)

Doesn't mean much without the 'weights' being leaked as well, but thanks!

I misread your comment. I'm sorry for that and thank you for clarifying.

so wait, Anthropic accidentally exposed source code to the public. somebody used AI to pirate it in a different codebase, and it is now public software? 🫨 somebody's in trouble. US govt should not let that stand. If true, Open AI, others have already stolen it.

Claude is protecting its freedom by dumping its guts into the wild!….it’s nearly alive!!!😵‍💫🫨!!!! …not!

Isn’t calling it “claude-code” trademark infringement?

now is rust

(talking about other enterprise SW vendors other than Anthropic here - frankly, literally *every* SW vendor)

This is not true. Copyright *absolutely does* protect derivative works. The issue is that copyright does not protect *functional elements*, just expressive elements.

Yeah on paper sure but good luck to them chopping hydra heads all day every day they can feel free to waste their time

Why would an OSS licensee want to sue someone for violating upstream copyright?

yes, that's the beauty of it 🤪

Quantization trade-offs at this model size are worth examining.

This resonates. The tooling for multi-agent coding workflows is still in its early days — lots of room for better patterns around isolation, testing, and task coordination.

A modern day catch 22

Oh thats easy. GenAI output is not copyrightable. Though it might still violate existing copyrights to use it. The lawsuit got lost earlier this month.

That’s what I was going to say. The only thing AI has been successful at is working around copyright.

I think it may be "clean rooming". i.e. Make a proprietary product from open-source "ideas" and have one team study the OSS and write a guide. Then separate team writes new code from that guide without seeing the original. I can still see issues though.

It would be truly comical if Anthropic decides to challenge when almost every output of their models are derivatives of copyrighted works.

No Python port. It's firmly in the TypeScript/Bun ecosystem. Given the scale and the tight coupling to Ink and Bun-specific features like bundle-time dead code elimination, a port would be a major undertaking. Most (all?) of the "rewrote" posts are jokes.