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Oh well then she is smart and you’re really dumb

You cannot change bad laws if you are not in power. And it becomes near-impossible to be in power if the other side gerrymanders while you are not. It's not the game we would like to play, but it is the game the GOP has made us have to play, if we ever want things to get better.

Are they gonna go to Texas next? North Carolina?

Address me by my wife's rank

You support GOP gerrymandering, dumbass

And how about in Texas and North Carolina?

So nothing at all relevant to today. Gotcha.

Cool. Who controls the House? Which party? Do the fairly-elected Michigan Democrats have any power in this Congress? Michigan Democrats (voters) are denied the ability to legislate, conduct oversight, etc, bc Republicans in my state, NC, & others, have gerrymandered themselves into a majority.

I (truly!) have the utmost respect for her. We modeled our campaign down here in Ohio on hers. And then they fucked us with the ballot language. Congressional gerrymandering can only really be dealt with federally. (California explicitly linked their retaliation with a call for federal reform.)

Unless your wife and her coworker plan on doing the same in Texas, North Carolina, etc that has no bearing on the current national redistricting movement kicked off by MAGA

Your wife fucked up by not replacing it with a good pro-dem gerrymander.

"here in michigan" is the key part of this, you have not been paying close enough attention to Virginia and that's ok because YOU DON'T LIVE IN VIRGINIA. 🤦

Cool. How does that help if the GOP gerrymander elsewhere.

Republicans don’t give two hoots in hell about fair play. If they cared, we wouldn’t have Gorsuch or Barrett on the Supreme Court.

Where's your proposed district map? Oh you don't have one. What's your mathematical thesis for drawing any map in any location at any point in time which is proven to avoid cherry-picking? Oh you don't have one. What is your method of redress for GOP gerrymanders? Oh you don't have one.

it's ok not to understand friend-enemy politics but you could read up on it some I think

This sentence is a work of art.

I mean the whole point is that its not a level playing field, its a tilted playing field and Democrats are evening out the tilt.

The most pathetic part is that you'll learn nothing from this humiliatingly stupid analysis getting ratioed to oblivion. You'll just cry about how mean Bluesky is or some shit. I hope you have the honor and dignity to prove me wrong but I'm definitely not holding my breath.

Also, refusing to fight back is for pussies

You’re one post is a giant contradiction

I don't recall asking for advice from republicans or people so against shooting back they might as well be stumping for republicans

Dems have been trying to ban this practice for decades. Now that the GOP is getting a taste of their own medicine maybe a few more of them will be willing to listen/work towards ending the practice after today. Takes two to tango

Pretending the field is level is just comically ignorant and incorrect though

Should Virginia still be allocating its electoral votes by congressional district as intended by the founders, even though other states defected in 1828 and went to winner-take-all to gain outsized influence?

What happens if you just let them gerrymander and don’t respond Ty

Clown shit.

I usually feel this way but I think it works when the gerrymanders are *explicitly* linked to the other side's gerrymanders; then you're actually nullifying their advantage & giving incentive to stop. This referendum apparently allows an early redistricting but only if another state does it first.

And no, maybe you are just as vulnerable as me or anyone else, but you’ve adopted the belief system of comfortable rich people. If you’re not actually one of them, that’s sadder, because you consistently advocate against your own interests for the aesthetic appearance.

do any of us need to? you're the one saying stupid shit on main. what more do we need to know? what critical backstory would justify this kind of inane response?

Shut up, you stupid bitch

No other choice unless you want to surrender the field. Representative democracy ain’t on the menu, you can have mutual gerrymanders or you can have defeat.

"level playing field" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this...

We had a solution but it was struck down by the court. We can either live in the world that exists with the supreme court that exists, or you can give up. It's not revenge to counter a gerrymander any more than the 14th amendment was revenge for the civil war.

donate to or volunteer for texan democrats committed to un-tilting texas

Good luck untilting Florida, which has had a GOP-controlled House, Senate, and Governor for 30+ years.

Yes. The GOP is the most extreme major party in the world, they are a fascist, racist and traitorous cult of personality to a madman. The country can not move forward in any way until they at least suffer such a huge loss that they are forced to change.

you know that that’s what the right wing is currently trying to do to everyone they don’t like, and we think it’s bad? you know that, right?

Un-tilting means gerrymandering in the opposite direction, yes. Glad you agree

NC GOP straight up ignored state court orders to draw new maps and then captured the courts in a following election. They stripped our governor of powers like the veto. There is no "un-tilting " this state within its own borders without a state constitutional crisis.

Nice ratio

Yeah, it's not an especially healthy long-term solution. You know what's not even a *short* term solution? Rolling over and dying.

No.

lol no

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I don’t understand this conditional: The antecedent is not satisfied bc there is currently not a level playing field. So what do you do going forward? (Furthermore, a key problem in gerrymandering is that there isn’t a great answer to “what is a level playing field”)

“well the field is tilted now, that’s just a fact at this point. best we can do is try to stop it from tilting any further.” actually you can untilt it? and then it would be level again?

I used to believe this, to take the high road. I’ve decided that is naive and rather Dems have a moral imperative to gerrymander so hard it forces the Supreme Court or congress to make a national standard for districting.

It's honestly wild to see a sports writer who can't see the value of an enforcer. VA and CA are acting right now as enforcers, not only for their own voters, but for voters in red states across America who've been silenced and shut out of democracy.

A good old fashioned ratio.

There's only 1 possible result to bringing a rule book to a street fight.

If the nfl said that holding is now legal (the Supreme Court did this for partisan gerrymandering) what would you say about a team that said “well, we won’t do that because we’d rather be principled and stick to the game as we think it should be played, but our opponents are welcome to do that”?

shut the fuck up idiot

Revenge?

I guess it was just really obvious to like seven other people that the playing field was not level, then? If several people are pointing out something you said was blatantly not based in reality, maybe look inward? Idk what else to tell you

I'm gonna gerrymander so much you can't even vote for anyone but a communist next round 😎

You do realize the playing field isn’t level now? Voter suppression has been an on-going project of the right wing for decades.

But you just said it's not a level playing field???

Nope. The only thing that matters right now is getting the GOP out of power at every level. They are unfit to govern and dangerous. Now is not the time for purity contests.

It’s not a playing field, it’s a battlefield. Tilt the motherfucker til they all fall off the edge.

coward!

when someone punches me in the face, i thank them profusely and ask them to do it again. i don’t fight back because that would be rude

As a Texan, who has never one day in their life lived outside a gerrymander or in an actual democracy precisely because of the liberal reticence to stand up to these conservative tyrants, I respectfully say BS to this mindset.

This isn't true, and it's been a driver of adoption for things like proportional representation abroad. The U.S. system has not been the normal pattern for democracies since the ouster of Porfirio Diaz. The coordinated gerrymanders of 2010 were a norm-breaking tipping point. This is the backfiring.

And their ideas and policies are actually very unpopular. That’s why they have to lie about them and gin up culture war craziness.

Thanks!

Hi from DC

Learn game theory

You are incredibly wrong.

Eat shit bozo

A level playing field is one where something as evil as MAGA can never gain power again. I don't care about some childish idea of 'fairness'. I care that the people who kill immigrants and rape children are shut out of power forever.

Thanks for admitting you support Nazis

As Newsom put it, it's a "emergency / break glass" issue. For California, the redistricting is temporary, and goes back to the bipartisan commission with the next census in 2030 -- by which time we can assume the emergency is over.

what the fuck are you talking about

i’m worried about backlash from virginian voters who see democrats they don’t like getting elected and re-elected due to gerrymandering and not popularity

There is no good reason for a republican party to exist.

The anti-fascist take is that both parties are run by fascists and we should do whatever changes that.

Dumb take. The VA measure is temporary, even.

Ummm, that’s the point, the playing field isn’t level. Republicans are trying to tilt it towards them, Dems responded by tilting it back

" if you can’t win with a level playing field," How could we tell that though, since the playing field is not currently level. Which is the entire problem.

Giving the rest of us Tys a bad name.

If this were revenge you'd have a solid point. It's counteracting. If not for this it wouldn't be a level playing field, so the hypothetical you're setting up there doesn't apply.

The GOP has only been allowed to get this bad because they have played political hardball for so long they don’t have to be responsive to voters. The only way to change that is push back. If that means gerrymandering blue states and packing SCOTUS, so be it.

The problem with gerrymandering is politicians shouldn’t be able to choose their voters. If the voters approve of the gerrymandering in a statewide vote, I don’t understand what the problem is. Ideally, Congress would ban gmandering federally, but that can’t happen if we don’t have a majority.

We're in bleeding Kansas and you're trying to do the compromise of 1850.

gerrymandering is stupid and counterproductive. it will bite you in the ass; it always does.

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it takes to look at Republicans ushering in fascism by rigging the system and thinking "well we certainly shouldn't make that as painful as possible for them". Complete 2012 brain.

A list of people and organizations who also disagree with "gerrymandering"... just kidding, they just don't like getting punched back. It's also a temporary measure that's not simply a strongly worded note.

There is no good stuff. It’s fascism.

If you can't win in a field where the other team is constantly cheating and the umpires have been bribed generously to allow it, well, you're not actually losing the game. And in that situation, anything you can do to dispel the aura of legitimacy your opps and the umpires claim is time well spent.

Respectfully, this is an elementary take on the dynamics at play.

Yes - because the House can impeach federal judges, including SCOTUS judges. And while a majority-R Senate is not likely to convict, judges might step down rather than having their record dragged into public view. Especially if it might open the way for lawsuits or criminal charges.

You think a level playing field is allowing Republicans to gerrymander red states with no repurcussions or consequences? Odd stance.

i don't want the states gerrymandered for revenge. i want the states gerrymandered to destroy the republican party root and branch, because if we don't do that it's all over.