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Excuse you, i understood the full nuances of it when it stole my translation job: clients were happy to pay less for a shittier product because the corpo overlords deemed it sufficient.

Jesus wept

I just spent $300 on an 8TB (best price per byte on PCPartPicker) and my friend told me last Christmas he got a --> 28TB <-- for $220 and I want to cry.

Yeah it sucks. Everything is crazy expensive but also it seems like everything will also only get more expensive. Like the cheapest deal on a PS5 was at launch. That's wack.

I was supposed to purchase a graphics card back in 2024 with my college grant money. Guess what I was forced to miss out on...

But how good are all the small business fliers tho!

The idea that a new technology being implemented requires consent is so funny

Not for me, sorry. I understand the "nuance" quite well, it only makes it worse. The technology itself of what's called genAI is just as bad as their creators, the tech industry and techbro fanatics

From the beginning all the marketing from AI companies has been "this will put everyone out of work and replace all art and human interaction." Can anyone really be surprised that people's opinions on it are driven by emotion instead of understanding of the tech?

I want affordable computer stuff again. We must destroy Altman and his ilk.

You're just not considering the nuances of the orphan grinder, it's about to revolutionize agriculture. Do you really want US agriculture to fall behind? Yeah it's pushing orphanages out of business but they're just an outdated technology now that we have the grinder.

It only gets more infuriating the more research you *do* bother with... Every tidbit about the technology itself makes you think about how useful a specific tool could be, if only the *entire conversation* had been conducted completely differently lol

except what i said is 100% true. genAI is shit technology that will never be viable, and its also completely different tech then the "ai tools" that have been around for years that they trying to conflate genAi with.

GenAi and LLMs are absolutely a big part of the problem though. It's a technological dead end that serves no real purpose and actively makes things worse.

The tech is an enabler, for sure, but I think the real culprit is the perverse incentives of our economic system that rewards the most heinous behavior.

Another scientist, Fauci, is being excoriated by the government and made into some sort of example for the rest of us who dare do our best to be truthful. Where is this scrutiny for the AI bros? Oh that's right, they are billionaires so they can say and do literally whatever they want.

I’m being genuine here, sorry not trying to annoy! It’s just all the tools I use daily to build things now are only possible (I think?) with tech like an LLM and I get huge value from them.

Understanding the "nuances" also doesnt materially change most of the issues people have with it. People can get a bit overzealous in some ways, but ultimately the broad strokes hold firm. A jughead can yell about "curing cancer" or whatever, but the orphans are still being put in the grinder.

Now, clearly, there is a commercial character to AI output that "my posts I wrote" did not previously have, but my posts were still, legally, my property, and I could have chosen to extend their commercial character by putting them behind a paywall. Did this change?

What do you want it referred to, to lay persons?

It doesn't help that every time I give a specific function, area or use any leeway, I learn it's fucking shit at that as well. My learning process has been 'ok, I'm sure there must be a use... Oh, but that's not it.' every time. Put it away until it's fixed and useful to humanity.

*samuel hayden voice* its like you guys aren't even trying to understand the nuanced functionality of the demon portal to hell

Yeah that's the video! Though I think I imagined it being more detailed than it actually was. Maybe got mixed up with a different unrelated video or someone else's video on the project.

that we were sold a Utopian version of AI benefits and ended up with something entirely different. are the uses for AI that i like? yes (science). but that's not how it's been sold to me. instead i'm being forced to consume actual garbage and the cost of a scorched earth is too high

No, I understand the technology and still hate it. That's the best way to hate it imho

I tried to capture more of the nuances bsky.app/profile/symb... 🧵

It’s not the consumer’s job to sell a product to themselves. They failed to adequately sell anything good about AI to the average person so people are reacting based on their experience, which is also often not very good. It’s not only not rocket science, it’s marketing 101.

"use it, or get left behind!" is the mantra used to deflect from the technology being used in a destructive way...... but it really be some late stage capitalism bullshit. why should any good willed people be 'left behind' simply cus they aint using a corporate robot?? wtf morality is that???

Enslaves third world workers to help refine the language models, guzzles water and rare materials like there's no tomorrow, makes consumer electronics and computers like 3x more expensive, monopolizes a shitload of money which could be put to use for a better world... And I'm not even finished

I hade functional understanding of ML and how LLMs work. I'm not anti-AI - it's a predictable advancement in data structures and algorithms. I'm anti-"ignoring the effects of rapid technological progress in a society already crippled by massive wealth inequality".

Indeed, I spend a lot of time researching both the good and bad just to be sure that I know the standing of the tech, and hoo boy the pit they've dug's so deep that it bounced off China and back several times.

Also in my experience people assume the technology is way more complex than it actually is because they need to imagine the computer as a smart person who is also extremely dumb (for arcane reasons), instead of just imagining someone who is extremely dumb.

The way I know this is the correct read is how not a single person who hates the LLM craze (myself included) is disagreeing with you in these replies

Yeah, I've been trying my best to focus my own language towards explicitly calling out LLMs and image generation specifically in order to make sure that they can't come up with some absurd argument to block me out, because AI is way too much of an umbrella term

This turns into a death loop for municipalities, since there will be fewer people living in the region over time. Business owners will move away from the region and likely take their businesses with them. Those who remain will eventually have to close up shop because nobody will be buying shit.

Like 90% of TECH EMPLOYEES hate the industry, but we are unfortunately forced to put up with their odious bosses

Just here to add that the wealth transfer (via index IPOs) is also enormously shitty, and may cause actual revolution.

The "technology" is just the underlying math. That's fine, and could be useful. The stuff you're describing is the way the companies pushing this chose to go about it. They could have done this ethically, but they all believe they're in a race to be the last company on earth.

I hate the technology. I didn't used to but it had its chance to not make everything suck

The United States started a war by targeting a girls school because, in part, it was nobody's job to verify the targeting data being coughed up. The nightmare scenario has already arrived and people have just kinda shrugged.

Like how are the masses supposed to enjoy this shit when they can't buy anything or get anything repaired when it will cost an arm and a leg

Hatred, dismissal and derision of AI *is* the rational response at this point.

There may be benefits, but it's just so minuscule in comparison to the massive slew of deficits caused by this technology, one that I should add isn't even completely developed.

And anyone who has more smoke for “people being annoying about being anti AI” are doing that thing where they’re feeling mildly irritated at what is honestly a very normal emotional response to the scale of this shit, and somehow going “yeah the irritated ppl are at fault here” like what

It's offensive to demand anyone respond "rationally" to something that is killing them.

Bring back Abort, Retry, Fail?

My parents neighborhood bis going through a revitalization that will take years to do yet I'm supposed to trust the same industry that tried to get to invest in JPG monkeys and mwtaverses can build this shit this quickly? Come on I wasn't born yesterday.

Right. The only way we can lay a finger on them is to oppose their products.

i mean, i hate the technology too, but i get your point. it actually makes it worse for me as they are doing all this with a tech that is fundamentally shit. its not even good tech that's being shoved down our throats. not that it matters in the end. it stole my work & of many other artists. fuck'em

“But we’ll fall behind China” is likewise an argument only weirdos care about

100%

And surveilling us.

Sure, MAYBE this stuff can make decomps of retro games faster... But that doesn't exactly justify the ecological and economical damage being caused even if it always worked.

it's interesting cause markiplier of all people is putting in the effort to fully understand AI so that people can actually do something about all the negative aspects of it

and memory costs 6 times what it used to

Don't forget made PC parts basically the cost of a mid-sized car.

Also does not help that everything is expensive now.

I understand the core concepts of how it works, well enough to write a rudimenatary LLM. i'm not anti-AI, I just recognize that LLM-AI's basic premise is incorrect. It's a linguistic simulator. It's the thinnest surface layer of the ocean of intelligence, sapience, sentience. It's too wasteful.

"You just don't understand it" I *understand* it wouldn't exist without the massive theft and that's everything I need to know about it to viscerally hate it on top of everything else.

"You can't criticize it if you don't understand it" is a gotcha pseudo-argument similar to saying a person can't have opinions about gun laws if they think AR stands for assault rifle.

Yeah, the biggest red flag is people who like it seem like self absorbed fascist pieces of shit and people who don’t like it seem smart and cool and chill.

Thing is, the AI goons will say "you don't understand the nuances" even when you do. Like when you did years of IT-related comms with CS academics and ethicists across the country... It's just a defensive default and a dismissal for them. They don't care that is AI killing people or the planet.

You are only allowed to get angry at KillMurderBot2000 disintegrating your house if you can explain in detail and with full nuance how its engine works. Them's the rules.

as someone who understands the full nuances of the technology: it is also very bad from that perspective, in fact it is somehow even worse and it makes all those other things seem even more appalling in context!

I think it's really telling that people point out the many downstream harms surrounding this technology and are patronized that they aren't an 'expert in nuance.' Yet any discussion of clean tech is immediately met with cynics discussing in broad strokes any drawback, real or imagined.

Also, serving only to make the most evil humans in the world more rich and powerful than they already are. It’s just all around awful

It's just the torment nexus.

I think a lot of people are applying nuance in the wrong places. There would be plenty to have interesting and important conversations about regarding AI. But with our current apocalypse scenario we really need to be clear about just how harmful a lot of this technology is first and foremost.

Exactly. I’ve yet to talk to someone online about AI who understood the tech and wasn’t completely invested into it already. It’s hard to discuss the pros and cons when they have finances at stake.

I'm sorry, no. I want to be able to properly understand the arcane language our ancestors developed so I can get the damn rune machine to do its job on the first try, not speak with the digital yes man and want to blow my brains out.

unfortunately neither side understands what "ai" is otherwise the bubble would have popped already

"I understand that the mass spectrometer is a fantastic piece of research equipment with many interesting uses. What I don't understand is why every appliance in my house and workplace has been replaced with one without my prior knowledge or consent."

For the record, large language models aren’t going to achieve sentience and murder us, that’s silly. But the industry’s PR issues are largely self-inflicted.

I don't understand the full nuance of the chemical composition of a flashball round, but I still hate these when they're shot at eye level in the middle of a protest. Also, I'm pretty sure I understand the nuance of "AI" tech better than most of the bros forcing it everywhere.

The people that say they understand AI don't. They all think it's this magical computer thing and if you try to explain to them it's just a probability algorithm they tell you you are wrong. It's so bad that in some places in my industry they have training programs on dealing with non adopters.

We agree on that.

in their defence, me and milo yiannopoulos cant really be compared and we're both fruit too

To extend the analogy, the chainsaw is currently working its way through our skull and it would be useful if we understood it well enough to turn it off and get it out

AI couldn't exist without exploitation of the global south and AI couldn't exist without child labour. And it's used for genocide. 3 reasons which stand alone why AI shouldn't exist.

imagine being so thin-skinned that you refuse to learn about the beautiful design of this no-name brand space heater simply because it also burns your house down every now and then. you just don't get it. in the future we'll be so warm we don't even notice our houses being on fire!

If I understand it better, will it benefit me financially, or will I just nod solemnly in the soup line, confident in the belief that that thing is out there doing my job better than I ever could?

Guy with a masters degree in AI here, fully understand the nuance, anti-this-whole-thing precisely because of it

The tech field is just a land of misery at this point, where you're not allowed to have cognizant peers to help guide you. I'm just certain at this point that the technology has enabled so many idiots to crowd the scene that you can't find a seasoned professional who can actually debug anything.