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Chrono Trigger is my favorite game but I think people’s expectations are killing their experience with CT inspired games, even tho some of them are def bland. For me, Sabotage nailed the spirit in Sea of Stars without feeling lifeless in the way some CT inspired games do

so accurate, most true post

Which is weird because Chrono Trigger is sci-fi Dragon Quest with the ATB system. It should be the easiest game to copy

To my knowledge, no one has made a better game than Chrono Trigger.

I'm also gonna point out that it's a game where the physically strongest person (Ayla), smartest person (Lucca) and most magically capable person (Schala) in all of fucking time are all women… Which a lot of these guys would HATE about new games today.

The Western Jrpg that ended up hitting the closest for me was Super Lesbian Animal RPG. In terms of being short and sweet with a lot of variety, fun combat, and meaningful sidequests.

aw geez i just cant figure out why nobody is able to have the same success as 3 high-profile artists being given a blank check and an already written game engine to build off of. probably uh due to woke or something

my most insane gaming opinion is that chrono cross is better

your only shot of something similar to that would be indie, like undertale, which is a jrpg made by western devs. the chances of non-indie western devs being able to make something that impactful are very, very slim. but that's true with japanese devs as well!

Change org petition to put Gato's song in every game.

I mean it just had some of the biggest names at Square and Enix working together for character designs, plotting and music, all who had made their mark, would go on to make said mark with this game or be part of another similarly legendary game as the third person behind it.

Ok but western devs don't have the jrpg gene that makes jrpg good

Septerra Core itself being severely underrated if a bit long in the tooth that attempts to be a very earnest fushion of JRPG and PC Adventure games that has a ton of ambition. (CGI Cutscenes, Fully Voiced Dialog, completely original world, rag tag main characters)

Why aren’t other authors writing books as good as Ulysses. (I do not chrono trigger is a Ulysses level text)

exactly what I was thinking of yeah

Hell, they couldn't make a proper sequel to Chrono Trigger twenty five years ago, on more powerful hardware than the Super NES. We got... whatever Chrono Cross was.

doesn't help that everyone tries it with with their hands tied behind their backs because they're all required to make 50+ hour games

Its like saying the key to making good anime is "its all just Toonami". Insane

by which i mean i think generalising to all western indie devs is unneccesary when what basically 85% of the posters mean is "sea of stars fucking sucks" lmao

Oh yeah no. It has. It's just that kind of marketing can backfire sometimes. See Nick All-Stars Brawl. Smash fans and media have marketed it as a killer to the iconic series. People overhyped it, and when it launched, it was just an average fighting game.

lol i prefer chrono cross to chrono trigger, my intent was pushing back on the idea that there's one essential reason why westeners can't capture the magic of jrpg writing, because there's good and bad writing eveyrwhere, with influences of all kinds

I want Chrono Trigger so much but I am a Mac person so....

WE'VE BEEN WAITING THIRTY YEARS

Square Enix can't make a game as good as Chrono Trigger

i think there’s also the boring answer is that “jrpg alike” just isn’t a popular genre in the west, so there aren’t very many of them made.

3. There CAN’T be another Chrono Trigger, because Chrono Trigger is Chrono Trigger. Instead, focus on creating something that is uniquely its own thing, just like how Chrono Trigger is uniquely its own thing.

forever SSX 3 will be one of the best games

But Sea of Stars came out last year???

Tokyo RPG Factory, testament to man's hubris

It's not really a game you go "I'm gonna make a better one" because a fair amount of what made it stand out was the pool of games around it. If you wanna make one of the great RPGs of now you're most likely gonna make something that doesn't draw much comparison to CT.

Doom, the Citizen Kane of Video Games

Sturgeon's Law strikes again

Earthbound was pretty dope tho :3

chrono trigger is a marginally translated mechanically stunted video game that was nonetheless filled with cool anime flavor that came out when the modern devs were teenagers people shouldn't be trying to make chrono trigger

people who say that didn't watch Kiznaiver

I hate that this is getting attention with that typo right there god

Chained Echoes had decent combat but also that story… yikes!

Can’t make a game as good as chrono cross*

yeah, it's very much inviting you to return to the game with greater context and gag reels! it's part of the package, not trying to keep you on the hook forever

And in most of the cases the ng+ is a boring enemystats+(level cap)*(number of ng+es you are on). Few actually change the game when you're doing a ng+, not even skipping the initial tutorial sections when you no longer need them

call this a hot take but imo the primary difference between baldurs gate 3 and a jrpg is the jrpg is made in Japan. baldurs gate 3 is a dragon quest that is horny in different ways

Eh, apples & oranges. Is BG3 successful as CT? Maybe, but BG3 has a tonal different feel. It's ultimately an immersive sim rpg meanwhile CT is not that at all. I think people want to make a game that's tonal similar to CT

no one can ever make a rpg as good as chrono trigger because it won’t be chrono trigger but i’m working on one anyway with it as the template

The real reason that western devs can’t make a game as good as chrono trigger is that I am no longer 12 years old

Did those people forget Toby Fox exists

Hey does I Am Setsuna’s premise end up getting subverted in any way because if not it sounds really dumb

In other words,

So what you're left with are indies, and the indie devs, despite often being very small teams including often just a single person, have been doing phenomenally well. I have no doubt if some banded together and buckled down with a decent budget, they might be able to actually do it, if they wanted.

This is so true

I'm a confused Sega Genesis kid who had Phantasy Star IV and never played Chrono Trigger until I emulated it. Still prefer Phantasy Star IV, that game has comic panel cutscenes!

Chrono Trigger was a dream team of developers coming together to make lightning in a bottle. It has 30+ years of nostalgia backing it, unrivaled talent that made it one of the best RPGs on the system, and is/was an industry darling. No one is ever going to make that again.

Really I think the answer is that nobody uses enough frogs in their game. Because of course the only game to truly live up to Chrono Trigger has been Ribbit King.

You couldn't make Chrono Trigger today

Chrono Trigger was literally a supergroup team up of the fathers of JRPGs at the height of their power. Of course it's hard to match!

a lot of ppl forget chrono trigger is fondly remembered as it is because it never makes you engage with its systems ever and is just an onslaught of SNES setpieces with the occasional elemental weakness boss

true, but also, square during that era made live a live, a game imo even better than chrono trigger as well, they just had the sauce flowing like mad in the 90s for some reason

I fortunately missed this discourse, but like... they did kinda pitch I Am Setsuna as a Chrono Trigger like and afaik it ain't

think if it was so easy to make a game as good as Crono Trigger we would bring up other games that are not nearly 30 years old when talking about it.

Xenogears is one the greatest games I've ever played and I rarely see games that come close and they didn't even finish the game because of running out of money. Nostalgia is fun, but damn people are stupid about game design.