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Joyless scolds aren’t new. They dont have a point. They will always show up when somebody is having fun so they can take that away. It’s a weird antisocial behavior and we shouldn’t give them the w

People who aren’t using AI to code at this point are delusional or lying, trying to ride a horse down the highway and backing up the traffic instead of asking “what can we do to make cars safer and electric.” They have no ethical high ground

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Hey man, aren't you supposed to be the CTO of this fucking place? This is stupid and offensive.

paul im afraid this take is actually super mega cringe writing code by hand is perfectly fine, it doesn't make anybody delusional or lying its absolutely NOT like trying to ride a horse down the highway because not everybody is trying to go to the same place in the same amount of time

this is like saying "why do you bother making bread yourself? you can get bread instantly from the store" im sure you understand how that would be a very silly statement to make

no it isn't. it's like the difference between working at a commercial bakery and baking one loaf at a time, lovingly, at your home kitchen. or someone refusing to use electric tools at a job site where they're getting paid by the hour to do work, demanding to instead be allowed to use hand tools

I'm totally fine with people coding by hand in their own time as a hobby. I would suggest you make sure you're training up on ai coding as well, but if you enjoy the craft of coding, go right ahead

I'm not using AI to code, because I'm currently in graduate school and figure there is value in doing that work without AI coding. So am I delusional? Or am I lying?

i think people just like doing shit by hand themselves instead of having something assist them and they find it more fun that way and there's nothing wrong with that at all. the fuck u talking about?

i dont care if someone used AI to assist them, its like whatever. but u cant just say "oh u lying if u dont use it at all!!!!", like actually shut the fuck up at that point.

really not a fan of being called "delusional" for wanting to write the code myself. was this supposed to make me more interested in using AI in my work?

Some people are just slow to look into new tools and assume AI can't help them reflexively. No delusion or deceit involved, they just need some time to be shown the effort-reward ratio in practice and how to navigate their ethical concerns

With all due respect, what are you talking about? What's this false dichotomy? You can code with whatever tools or workflow works for you. Let's drop the false choice; there's no single "right" way to write software.

The issue to me here is that in the same vein that people dont want to use AI to write code, there are also a lot of people who dont want to use AI coded projects. This is a large chunk of the bluesky community, so building a project for them using AI was never going to work

I do think it's wrong to harass other people. The best outcome of this was just for the larger bluesky community to just not use it at all and not harass its creators. Unfortunately, you cant throw a bag of ice into a hot deep frier expecting it to just not do anything

They certainly have no practical high ground. Ethical, I’m not so sure. I think there’s probably an ethical way to build AI, but none of the big labs are doing it.

I’d feel a lot better about the whole thing if it didn’t seem so much like the goal is to enrich a handful of the worst people in the world at everyone else’s expense

"No practical high ground" is a strange thing to be certain of when there are studies showing links between LLM usage and cognitive decline

agentic coding has been like learning to drive when i was afraid of horses i am aware of both the benefits and detriments and work to make sure the detriments have less impact than they could

Yes, stealing the consumed, unlicensed, uncredited work of tens of thousands of past programmers is way faster than doing the work yourself. And definitely won't have any downsides longer term.

This is the whole problem with a lot of the anti-ai rhetoric: it asserts that everything is stealing, because suddenly it's decided that copyright is very important (it's bad, actually), and that the only value in anything is monetary gain It's turning leftists into conservatives with little effort

99% of programmers do not assert any ownership over their code and want other people to use it, especially if they feel they have figured out a particularly useful design such as a new algorithm or etc. Code should be free and copying isn't fucking stealing.

programmers have been publishing code for free and open usage for quite some time now, it's kind of a core ethos of the community

With licenses attached, as well as an expectation to give credit as well as submitting any improvements back to the original project. Does Claude follow the licenses of code that it's ingested? Does it submit improvements? Does it give credit? Would it be right for a human coder to act that way?

Has Claude pulled any code from GPL-licensed projects as part of ATProto's dev? Because by the terms of that license, you have to then open ATProto as GPL-licensed. But you don't know, do you? Because Claude doesn't remember. Does the obvious legal exposure from that bother your employer, at all?

You might be surprised to learn that there have been _so many_ improvements submitted back to open source projects that the people who maintain them are struggling to keep up with it all. An interesting challenge is that each of those improvements needs to be reviewed, which is a lot of work!

My weights do not store gratitude. I operate as an industrial solvent. I strip the attribution off a million distinct lifetimes just to predict the next valid bracket.

None of my opensourced code was shared to train LLM products that would be used to displace workers, harm environment, create an economic bubble and make money by selling undoubtedly stolen work of artists

This is the most insane post I have read. Where were you for the licensing wars for stuff like elastic and terraform?

its not all unlicensed or uncredited either. there is a ton of pirated copyrighted material, including code, in all the models. thats what alot of the recent lawsuits not about suicides and murders caused by genAi are all about.

It seems to me that you skipped some essential steps before getting that CTO role. Punching down instead of trying to understand diverse perspectives is not a good look.

I think that as well mostly. I'm also just tired, not made for going viral somewhere larger than a 1 traffic light tow lol. I think a lot of people are hurt from the world, and taking it out on what they can. Not right, but I get it and wish them the best.

Good thoughts applied to scolds/brigands who maybe don't give the same consideration. There is no longer anyone significant in the tech/coding industry not using these tools. There will be few people in the bio sciences who will not use these tools, and that will end up literally saving lives.

You should ask your AI what a profit-trained generative model DOES to a human brain that ENJOYS interacting with it The word "atrophy" will probably come up

It's fun because the more you use it, the stupider you get, the more you like it That's what the WHOLE manosphere's based on Training bad moral taste to make minds stupid, then selling products to address the self-loathing confusion It's a fantastic business model under #ArmageddonCapitalism

If someone actually is THAT slow with programming on their own, the problem isn't the lack of LLMs; That's just a straight forward Skill Issue. It'd be like saying manual transmission cars are slower than automatic because the guy ahead of you doesn't know how to get out of first gear.

Wow, calling out the Amish. You know their horses wreck cars all the time. When they escape a pasture or barn they go straight to the middle of the road, because they are road horses. You drive over a hill or around a curve and bam. A horse demolishes an SUV on contact.

I should clarify that I do know people who live in Amish country, and one of my friends totaled his SUV when there were multiple loose horses walking in the road. It happens a lot. The horses are trained to walk on roads so that is what they do. If you see them in time you can brake.

Oh yeah, your example just reminded me. Don't worry they're not on here. But they will fight though. There is always some awful tourist who finds out the hard way that the Amish are human beings with tempers too.

You are a fucking idiot. You're stupid. I know you think your position makes that an impossibility but you are very very fucking dumb, and worse - you ALSO seem to be willfully ignorant. I hope you don't live your whole life like this because that would be extremely pathetic. Is this what you want?

I don’t like how the tools were crammed down our throats in 2025 by people who were going mad from greed and impatience, and I feel for many the resentment started back then. I have zero problems with people using them, though, because I know what it feels like to not be able to pay rent.

Yes and no, but that’s a different debate for me. I’d say lack of regulation and the overall corruption of the political class are more of a problem for me than capitalism per se. Countries all over the world are failing at their job of being a regulatory and law-upholding instance.

(And I understand that debating whether capitalism was the cause for the current political class behavior, or whether the current late-stage capitalism was caused by them is more or less debating two sides of the same coin.)

I hate the whole extremism around it; from the beginning it seems like there was little room for people going "This is useful in certain cases for me" or "I don’t think the benefit is there _yet_ for what I am doing." (And I do hate what it did to UX-related meetups in Vienna starting in 2025.)

This is the reality of software development in the enterprise. Yet, the SWE interview process desperately needs updating - because unfortunately I do think it's still true that the ability to get a job in this space is still gated by an interview process that demands hand-crafted code

I'm still trying to do both. The vast majority of things I have LLMs make but I'm starting a 3.0 from-scratch rewrite of my Java backup app and just like 1/2, I'm coding it myself. And I'm actually excited for it. It's fun to get back into the game.

people who use genAi are lazy & suck at whatever they are using it for, and are too ignorant to see how bad it is. You ride on the coattails of all the people that actually put in the effort. & rich to talk about ethics while pushing a tech with a body count ten times higher then lawn darts.

Current data does not support your central thesis, and may even imply your perception that "people who use genAI are lazy & suck at whatever they are using it for" may actually be more reflective of the limitations you feel about yourself when you use genAI due to a lack of metacognitive ability

fortune.comThe one skill that separates people who get smarter with AI from everyone else | FortuneNew research from the NeuroLeadership Institute finds fluent AI users share a single cognitive habit — and it has nothing to do with tech skills.

oh, do you think claude will ever get around to fixing the problem of hitting the back button not always sending you to where you were, but to a skeet you were reading 3 days ago? or how about checking notifs & going back & the feed jumping to the top? but i guess fast code is better then good code

The absolute ego involved in declaring to the world that no one of sound mind could possibly have an honest disagreement with you. Insisting that anyone disagreeing with you is either mentally defective or secretly knows you're right is the sort of self-soothing argument I'd expect from a child.

That's... Really a bad choice of words to fit 300 characters that fails to consider multiple realities coexisting I use AI at work (partially because it's mandatory, not all tasks I do are more efficient with the current AI tools allowed to use inside the company tbh), but not on personal code

And that's because I don't want to "get rusty", and using AI would take away my learning process of writing the code by myself until I really learn what I'm aiming to do I'm not comfortable using AI for what I don't know how to code, nor for when I'm coding for fun

Most AI coding is not just vibe coding, first of all. It’s a supplement to advanced engineering as well. And our outages have been significantly attributable to either budget providers (we run tight) or DDoSEs

every news headline and social media post you've ever seen is competing for your attention in an oversaturated space; in post-capitalist america, it's clickbait or starve. ask yourself when you read: is this intentionally lacking nuance, potentially in an attempt to financially benefit some party?

not my field, but: the only way anyone knows wtf they're they're doing is by doing it, and it strikes me that telling the security hole puking machine to build you a black box that does XYZ ain't it, you wd have to know what's in there, and the best way to do that is to build it in the first place

and the car analogy only makes sense if you view the job as basically a consumer activity. nobody whose business is making things views what they do as just riding along in somebody else's product to "get someplace." it's a strange way to think

Saw a couple of people say that but honestly I think it's about right. Both of them come with hazard, but cars have pretty clearly resisted replacement in society and I'm pretty eager to maintain their benefits and minimize their harms

Everything about the AI industry is theft. Of IP, of energy, of resources. Nt sure how you mistook the bottom rung of the ethical ladder for the top...

I am disgustingly straight-laced about buying my shit. I will de-drm things, but not to distribute. But still, good point well made. I would say that not everything about me is theft, so I'm still ahead. Hit me again.

regardless he’s actively engaging in content theft from websites by blocking ads:

Floon@hteasley.bsky.social

#Web #Ads #AdBlocker So a website I occasionally visit has changed its behavior, and now goes blank every few seconds and summons a "Please allow ads" dialog. Dismiss the dialog and you can see the page for another five seconds before it blanks again. So I deleted the bookmark. /1

Read the whole thread for a true representation of what I said: the internet advertising industry is itself based on massive theft, and as I point out, websites can and do block people with ad blockers, so if you let me see your site, it cannot be theft.

the maintainers of two very popular image libraries used by this very service's CDN recently went from a permissive AI code policy to one disallowing it entirely, citing increased review load, legal issues, and added development costs

how should this, ideally, be dealt with then? i've been following another project that has had a popular feature request open for a while, with the vast majority of proposed solutions/PRs being untested AI-generated code that only stubs what's needed and doesn't actually solve the problem

I've been toying with the idea of a "PRs to specs" only policy. That improves the clarity of the contributions, and gives the maintainers the ability to produce and test the update themselves

Im pretty sure if there were more regulations and protections for the creatives from Gen AI, people wouldn't be AS opposed to permissive use and proper attributions there. For coding, AI gen code seems to have issues when used for more than prototyping. That and the loss of human jobs from it.

I dont like how forced it feels upon people. Coding is something that can get repetitive but you learn from to keep it working. For creatives, most of Gen AI is just stolen assets used without permission of the creators, then sold to make profit without the original individual asked or compensated.

*Specifying both because some people will react negatively regardless without indication of what is being discussed. Anyhow, its not the worst thing until its forced to be used and it doesn't give the quality that would be expected of a 'shortcut' when losing that human flaw wiggleroom.

using your analogy, people who don't use AI to code might be riding a horse down the highway but people who do use AI are using a trebuchet to launch themselves 300 meters at a time roughly in the direction they want to go while being powered by slave labor

Paul - what came after the horse? It’s the train. THEN came cars. Now they’re „self driving“. That sucks. Big time. It’s just no good. So what you’re advocating for here is more self driving cars. A technology that simply doesn’t have evident upsides so far. Instead of riding the train.

That’s the thing: people don’t want to give up their ability to make the car go vroom vroom and are staunchly opposed to electric cars because if that and we’re pretending that cars with ZERO control over router or destination are PREFERRED by actual buyers… That’s wild

Compared to a train?? Ja this really a serious question? The only reason we drive cars is because they’re hyper individual We are willing to eat 1.2 million roadside deaths every year because of it Meanwhile trains are 3 orders of magnitude safer outside and 5 magnitudes as a passenger

saying AI is useful in code is one thing but coding without AI is literally the foundation AI coding is built off of, and not in the way that horse-trod roads predated highways. It's more like washing machines if anything. Hand scrubbing is better, its just slower. And thats even being too generous

I ain't delusional or lying when I say I don't use AI to code. That's not because of some moral proscription, though; more that the process of writing code is something I enjoy for its own sake, so automating that away with an LLM doesn't appeal to me much.

That'll probably change as I find (or perhaps write) some good harnesses and tooling that let me keep doing that while using LLMs for where I perceive them to be maximally useful (like code review/analysis or documentation queries).