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LOL This is what a boot-licker sounds like.

Works fine in Sweden. PhD *students* can be part of a union, if they want, not just postdocs.

shut up

This is very embarrassing for you

Fuck off

snort. this is a hell of take. It's a bad opinion. You should feel bad having expressed this.

Horseshit.

“Mentee” isn’t a word you fuckin scab. Mentor is not formed by slapping -or on a Latin-derived root verb for the agent, with ee for the recipient. It’s a Greek proper noun.

Mr Evan D Morris has some issues to work out. Inside Higher Ed probably should have looked for a counterpoint before publishing this.... whatever it is.

i thought y’all were supposed to be better than the Chronicle

You seems to mistake an union for a cooperative thing. Unions exist to FORCE capital (or academia) act in a semi-decent manner.

Fact: without a union you, as an employee of a labor institution, have no bargaining power or means of influence against your employer, and we have already seen the absolute nightmare working conditions that arise from this (McDonald's, Amazon, Starbucks, etc). Your life is made worse without one.

So your opinion is that licking corporate boot is the better option? Fuck you.

Yeah, so many logical fallacies. False analogy, false dilemma, false dichotomy ("mentorship" v "unionization"), anecdotes w/little data. + Morris rounded up all the straw men for their beatings & peppered in a little red-baiting & anti-Palestine to boot. This seems more for WSJ than IHE.

And what exactly is wrong with “burger flippers?” Also, they don’t tend to be unionized. Asshole.

"Bespoke"? Rilly?

Be that as it may…

get a grip losers, unions support and lift up mentorship

burger flippers? really? burger flippers? the only way you could ever closer meet the stereotype of a creepy, out of touch academic is if you visited Epstein's island, too. what a fucking ridiculous take. only abusers and shitty leaders hate unions. fuck off lol

Stupid take. Return your degrees and ask for your money back.

Entirely fair.

One factor, sure. But let's not pretend that anti-expertise bias isn't also an American cultural issue. You could be the most intersectional progressive ally on the planet but if you worked intellectual labor some folks would still give you shit. Labor valuation cuts both ways.

Ok buddy.

Jeebus you fucking suck

Fuuuuuuuck oooooof with that shite. You can do science while respecting people you blibbering gimploid.

the actual job title is "short order cook" the unionized ones in big cities make good money - a lot more than a lot of postdocs do - which is a good argument for postdocs unionizing (also why this guy doesn't want them to unionize)

This is disgraceful. Choose your OpEd contributors responsibly.

"BESPOKE" DRINK!!! And then ignore this shit and unionize to protect yourselves.

Unions are a net good. Get fucked.

“If I, a masculine lion of a man mentor, cannot have direct and supreme control over my meek female pre—I mean mentee, then my whole world is disrupted”

What absolute unconscionable bullshit. Everyone deserves protection from exploitation in the workplace. It protects them, it protects those that are taught by them. And the value of the meteor mentee relationship is then stabilized within the bounds of reasonable and decent.

as for the publication, you really need to retire the insensitive “burger flippers” label. it’s so unnecessary when you can just say “service industry” or “hospitality”. disappointing to see men in scientific research still using it, their insecurity doesn’t need to be broadcasted

I love burgers! Academics who are all puffed by their pompous tirades, not as much.

The online getting yelled at fetish is getting out of hand.

As a teamster…..go fuck yourself.

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Unions are only bad for bad bosses

Spoken like someone who has never actually worked in the real world. JFC, worst take ever.

Shrivel up.

Funny, that bespoke relationship is the main complaint I keep hearing about phds

Have you considered that you can go fuck yourself

Dirty rat union-buster says what?

shuddup ya ding dongs

This is the kind of horseshit I would expect to see in the Chronicle.

Yes, I'd say we're inside "higher ed" now. In the vault where it hides its secrets.

Pinkerton bitch

Give them both barrels

Please do and those fuckers better run it

I might ask you for tips. You do this type of writing so much better than I do.

This title is far too long, but my initial thought was... We Are All Burger Flippers: Why Uniquely Positioned Faculty Should Not Assume that all Postdoctoral Workers are in Boutique Appointments

more like Havin D. Stinkass

What a stupid article

This can't be a serious opinion held by a supposedly serious person.

So professors get unlimited employment protection through the tenure system while underpaid, over worked, high level contributors to their research programs should get zero protections because that would somehow impinge the “bespoke mentor-mentee” relationship?

good try.

On your way to a proper ratio I see

Counterpoint: universities are desperate to keep postdocs from unionizing because currently they get away with paying them starvation wages and imposing miserable conditions, and universities make a huge amount of profit off their cheap labor.

radiologis aren’t known to be people persons. fits.

Is that a sex thing? "bespoke mentor-mentee relationships"

Lmao, this is the same argument union busters pull out everywhere. “Oh, you wouldn’t want to put a layer between you and management! That would disrupt our relationship :( - trust us, it’s best if nothing changes ever.”

Evan Dumbass Morris

You know your point is really good when you have to slur working folks to make it.

Straight up dirt bag writing this drivel spectator.org/treatment-fo...

Hi, I've been a postdoc in two different countries. Both have unions for postdocs and other academic staff. It's fine. Maybe do a bit of research before writing. And look outside the USA too.

What part of the mentor-mentee relationship is disrupted when "fair wages" and "clearly delinated work expectations" and "meaningful paths to report abuse by managers" are introduced? I feel like most union workplaces have older union workers mentor younger ones all the time

hey this sucks

for someone else's workshop and the pay probably came directly from the Vatican. And this was dangerous manual labor. Perhaps Evan Morris's thinking is so disorganized because he didn't have a good mentor.

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Michelangelo didn't have a union, yeah and neither did the Egyptian slaves building the pyramids.

*bzzt* wrongo

suck it, loser

What's the overlap between these guys and the people who want to use AI to steal others' art and writing so they don't have to learn how to do it themselves? 😐

Read this whole thing because I thought “does this guy not know that polytechnics exist?” just to discover a) he does and b) thinks that’s what all universities should be

Let some people talk long enough and they'll tell on themselves

Fuck off.

Shut up, idiot

Despicable opinion on higher education labor. Read that again: labor Labor LABOR

Postdocs Aren't Burger Flippers: Burger Flippers Deserve Some Amount Of Respect by Inside Higher Ed

This isn’t it.

This is totally bullshit

For articles as dumb as this, I find it more enlightening to find anagrams of the opinion writer’s name. May I present the following article by: Mr. Señor Diva

“Good”—almost 100% of the mentees

this opinion is bad and you should feel bad

This guy is a fool. He’s probably on the take too.

wait, apparently accomplished academics make bad faith arguments when it suits them (or assume that it does at least).

“Oh you know the ones.”

IHE has really gone off the rails. From the opening (woof!), this is just bad.

This is not only a terrible opinion, it is offensive and harmful

I feel like this idea of the mentee/mentor relationship without union protections allows for all sorts of exploitation . Setting limits for certain types of activities through unions , or ensuring better pay, is not going prevent a healthy relationship.

eat my dick Evan

Would love a print edition of this because I won’t wipe my ass with my phone.

Anyone telling you not to unionize is probably benefiting from you not unionizing, lmao eat shit

I'm in a union at UC Berkeley and my managers are supportive and not adversarial, so we get to keep the mentor-mentee dynamic. Maybe the problem is knee jerk hostility to unions, not unions.

Look, we know you don't want to pay your postdocs decently or treat them well, but you don't have to insult food workers while you whine about it.

Translation: You want the ability to steal from and abuse your mentees without any oversight.

You should be embarrassed to publish this tripe.

Here for the ratio.

“burger flippers?” You classist fucks.

“bespoke”

Okay - I have never considered joining a union in all my years in academia but my god this is the stupidest thing I have heard. I strongly support other people's ability to choose to join a union.

If this author understood unions, he'd also know about what a union steward is and how they help create mentor/mentee relationships. Absolute clown shit.

Disgusting elitist nonsense. I hope everyone in the service industry where Evan lives reads or hears about this and reacts accordingly.

This is bad and you and Morris should feel bad. Of course, Morris is also very busy being a toady for Bibi and the other fascists in Israel, so maybe he didn't have much time to put any thought into this shite.

Assuming your next move is to move to Twitter and cry big salty tears about the Bluesky echo chamber

Opinion : Eat Shit, Ass Hole