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Also, *wasn't fucking dignified*. Your *Dad* may have had a quiet dignity, but he'd have had that working at a Barnes & Noble, JD.

Maybe citizens can replace low-wage foreigners in the fields and meat-packing factories?

Is Faux-Catholic a faith?

The reason they keep saying this is a setup to attempt to justify awful shit in the near future

I used to work for GE. During the 1950’s they employed nearly 50,000 people at their Schenectady, NY facility. I went to work there in 2000. We had around 7,000 employees. All of those jobs were SENT to low cost countries by GE. No one came and took those jobs. GE needed to pay less to make more.

When was the last time he mopped a floor?

Low-wage Americans pressing widgets into Apple circuit boards is the dream being sold. All the people buying into it assume that 'some other guy' will do it, just as 'some other guy' will work on farms, in factories, delivery and retail, for misery wages. 'Some other guy' really wants a better job.

Good point. God, I hate the grift.

And the reason those jobs are gone is the wealthy elite he serves moved them abroad, in pursuit of easily exploited low wage foreign labour... Cartoon c/o polyp.org.uk

The least of my brothers is a lesson from Jesus that seems to have escaped JDs view of Catholicism which is interesting because, you know Jesus loved the poor and downtrodden and he really didn’t like the rich 🤷‍♀️

JD Vance, the new Catholic convert, is so unfamiliar with Christ & his teachings it would be funny if it wasn't so infuriating. Anyone as pompous & full of bigotry as JD is NOT a follower of Christ & Christ would tell him " I never knew you, get away from me you worker of lawlessness".

It's a real shame when equally gob-smacking comments are passed over for scrutiny because of some louder GOB-SMACKING comment that will get more clicks, likes and views.

Nope. Hyundai pulled out.

Vance is an economically illiterate like his boss

It's a quasi-sexual fetish at this point.

I don’t live in the US, but I’ve been struck by this (observing from a distance) through the Trump years … I know it’s longer-lived than that of course; but less in-your-face (I imagine).

Automation trends suggest manufacturing jobs will require skilled labor, supporting the notion that mass high wage factory employment for non-college educated workers may not return.

The Economic Wargame is a continuation of the Military Wargame by other means. "All warfare is based on deception."- Sun Tzu Why don't economists advocate mandatory accounting in schools since Smith wrote "read, write and ACCOUNT" FIVE times in Wealth of Nations? www.spectacle.org/1199/wargame...

I was trying to explain this a few years ago when I was having a discussion about ... All the things, your books on my list now

Do the people they are appealing to really want their kids down a coal mine?

Also the jobs weren't good because they were in factories; factory work sucks. The jobs were good because the unions were strong.

Is more an American problem. As sort of American "exceptionalism" fairytale type thing. Ppl want to believe and thus they will.

You're right. Love the username, by the way.

The 100 years before it was like you go to school until 13, get shoved down a coal mine shaft and work until you die of black lung at 34.

My grandfather who was blinded in one eye at the Steelton Works agrees with you.

Exports accounted for less than 5% of GDP in the 1950’s. Mainly, we were building stuff for each other. 90% top marginal tax rates and 48% corporate income tax encouraged broad distribution of wealth, with the top 1% holding a steadily declining share of wealth, until a reversal began in 1980.

It's almost certainly services (which include everything you listed). Manufacturing + Farms employ like 9-11% of Americans and that number is not likely to go up. Most people do and will work in services and that's... not a bad thing just because we've gendered ourselves into thinking it is.

Just services generally, but we've decided that's all too Gen-Z Boss and a Mini coded and so we must yearn for some mines.

Looks like an interesting read. Have you read this @youngvulgarian.marieleconte.com ?

Job creation has to be bottom-up. The government needs to really begin enabling people to start SMEs - and I mean good ordinary businesses, not just funding a few AI and Life Science start-ups in the hope they become unicorns.

contracting firm. Non-union, half the pay, fewer benefits. Same jobs. That was a common patterns throughout the rustbelt, at different companies. Did the politicians do anything? Absolutely none.

Oh nice, the NYPL has it on OverDrive 👀

The US runs since 2016 throughout the two genocidal presidents Trump and Biden, a 1960s USSR government including all oligarch creation, corruption and incompetence. Since US is bankrupt and EURUSD going to 4, the US can become the new Vietnam for the globe, with manufacturing at 4 EUR/hour

I skimmed it for the jokes, which is what I recommend everyone does. (Thank you!)

Ha ha don't be "that guy/gal"😅

I called five electricians and waited two months before I could get a broken bathroom fan replaced.

Manual jobs are of course still needed, but they're not needed because manufacturing is resurgent. They're just needed because they're generally societally important! Manufacturing employment is trending downward even as manufacturing production trends up.

Funny that. Ive lived much of the last 35 years in Germany...

Thanks for writing it! What Vance is doing is disingenuous at best. “Predatory” is a more apt descriptor, IMO. The people who are hanging on to this nonsense lack the economic and financial literacy to understand they’re being treated as fools.

If there's one thing Vance teaches us, it is that 1. His economic policy ISN'T about dignity for ordinary Americans; it rewards the already filthy rich with tax breaks to make/keep even more money and 2. He isn't remotely humble.... or Christian..... or going to bring manufacturing back to the USA.

Also, there was no dignity in those jobs until they were organized by unions. Manufacturing jobs aren't good jobs. Union jobs are good jobs!

The only way manufacturing jobs return to America is if they are low paying jobs. It’s the only way the math works. That’s not going to happen.

two people on this newscast that no one should bother to ever listen to again

Workers are hired by third party agencies. Side by side with company employees, they earn a fraction of wage, no benefits, pay their agency and are expected to be grateful. A pox on all your houses!

I don’t think you’re supporting the human race if you cut benefits and foreign aid to buildup militarily and ice enforcement. That is gaslighting you couch fucker!!

In what way does his faith make him averse to low wage foreigners? Did Jesus say something I missed? "Yea, verily I say to thee, the meek shall inherit the earth, unless they are low wage foreigners. I have spoken. Now donate to me so I might get a new private jet".

How perverse these people are. How small, petty and mean.

There are loads of robots at Nissan but human hands and eyes are still better than the automated alternatives for the moment. Plus the Keynesian idea of hole digging means its cheaper in the long run for the government to keep Nissan going with people than they move and the government pay dole.

But he's fine with " Low Wage Americans " given what the Minium Wage has been for decades ?!

I once gave a free-speaking assignment: "talk about your family history". My God, the stories! One woman's dad grew up near the East German uranium deposits. Went to work down the mine at 16, incentivised by an extra bottle of milk for the family. His teeth fell out at 20. Dead of cancer at 42.

Wasn’t this one of the big promises of the first Trump presidency?

I’m not the sharpest tool in the box & I know automation means even if you bring manufacturing back to the US/UK, it’s not going to employ masses & so does Vance. Business isn’t going to charitably employ people for no reason, unless we become akin to the USSR. More imagination reqd for solutions.

I'm the descendent of Welsh coal miners, my great grandfather gave a trade to all of his children because he wanted none of them to be underground. It was hard dangerous life shortening work. Great for community cohesion but generally terrible.

Railway workers in Derby also victims of this. It's a terrible disease.

Oh absolutely. Like the tradwife and homesteading movements, this whole "I yearn for the factory" stuff is absolutely rose-colored glasses romantic a-historical nonsense. That said, if you're in a dying ex-factory town with no other prospects, I understand the rhetorical appeal.

And 'black lung' in the coalminers.

Grew up in the Mon Valley and 100% endorse.

Agreed, also why product-specific tariffs are ham-handed. If we want balanced trade, we have to address the capital account (e.g., a Tobin tax). By taxing capital inflows, we neutralize artificial competitive advantages and force the market to return to trading on genuine comparative advantage

People in Oregon timber country still think an owl killed the industry. Not only is the timber industry not dead, most of the state is a tree farm, its flourishing it just takes a fraction the people to make it work.

So, tax cuts for billionaires is just about preserving their dignity?

Unless they're making AI parts & have stock shares.

Came here to say this!

It can, but everyone, especially politicians, needs to be honest about the limits of that sort of employment growth. Labour costs are too high to make low and mid level manufacturing viable, and so much of it is automated now

It’s the same lie the GOP has been telling for over a decade. They won’t stop now.

And if AI proponents have their way, the same thing will happen to college-educated workers

Thank you! I JUST commented above that I'm 49 and I've heard these promises since I was a kid (which was in the early-mid 80s!) and this verifies it.

But it will take 20 years for them to figure that out.

To prevent low wage foreigners just pay them more

My faith makes me adverse to JD Vance.

Very Christian of you to demonize low wage "foreigners." 🙄

i mean this with love: Argentina has been trying this for about 80 years, and look where it got them

I made steering columns for $21.25 an hour + "benefits" like having that hourly wage go to health insurance payments, 401k monthly deduction, state/federal income tax, and charitable donations. Overtime and double overtime pay helps but grinds you down.