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Strong case to be made that a Chinese tech company is less likely to use my own data against me than a US tech company.

yeah like... there's a lot of shit spying on us yes, but that doesn't make it okay and we should all still TRY to have as little stuff as possible doing so lol.

I am stating to think "I'm running on a constitutional amendment that you have a right to privacy and control of your personal data" could hit 90% of the vote.

Yeah there just is not a way to make a data privacy argument to the American public without significantly limiting the data that American companies are allowed to collect and government is unwilling to limit the American companies

No but it was a pretty predictable outcome, and instead of learning anything from it, Dems are about ready to concede autos and the internet in the same way.

I'll give Democrats the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't their intent to hand Trump the opportunity for a corrupt bargain with Larry Ellison, et al, but to force a US spin off and private sale.

Nuanced TikTok discussion is hard because the security case and the civil-liberties case point in opposite directions and Congress wants a clean story. The Bytedance ownership question is real. The solution-through-divestiture theory requires a buyer who doesn't exist at the right price.

Im scared of MY government spying on me. They have a motive to try to control me. China just doesn’t.

Half of the country would sell their firstborn child for a reliable $15k new car. Much less their data.

Tech lobbyists pay them not to figure it out. We've been too far behind our peers for too long on privacy regulations for it to be an accident.

the data never left america, but who cares abt facts bsky.app/profile/t0us...

I'm frankly far less concerned about some Chinese company keeping tabs on me than my own government Like what is Xi Jinping going to do with data on what weird porn I watch

Don’t make the pigs jobs easier for them. They have not already won.

I'm in this kinda weird ambivalence like "privacy is good, personal data can be devastating in the wrong hands, but people are at least right to see the hypocrisy here. Like if anything the DOGE data smash n grab was *way worse* than BYD handing anything to Beijing where I *do not* live"

I'll believe privacy is dead when the person saying it isn't a white guy from the valley with a financial incentive for people to believe it

I strongly agree. Unfortunately, I think like many things, people won't care until it *actually* bites them. For most people, this is still a very abstract problem, and most people just don't care about abstract problems. It's why almost nobody backs up important data.

… and like that Target HVAC contractor, you will absolutely be unhappy if they grab that bigger prize.

Now imagine this partner participated in a pro-democracy activity there. Please note that you the idea that this capability in cars is bad for *multiple* reasons, and ought to be addressed as a general principle, but it's also good to be aware there is a real risk out there.

I do believe it is lost but I also will fight till I cannot fight anymore. Won’t give up!

Exactly. Netanyahu SAID SO. IN A VIDEO. WITH GLEE It's about who owns the narrative. Who gets to shape the truth. And who makes the money from that. Bite me.

Yes

We won against the Tobacco Lobby, we can definitely beat these tech bros trying to steal all our data.

The NSA is literally just looking at peoples' Facebook or Instagram feeds. Cause I always thought it was weird how people were so concerned about privacy being violated by tech while announcing they were taking a dump on social media..

The issue isn't that they are likely actively paying attention to you. It's that all of this data, tied directly to you, is being collected passively all the time, so if for some reason the government ever DOES develop an interest in you, it's all there for them to grab.

I tell people the only smart device in my home is my phone. They look at me like I'm crazy. I don't need devices tracking my information dammit.

“But can you win?” “Every time I say…’No’.”

that's not at all the choice.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

idk, when Snowden tried to frame this surveillance system as mostly Obama's fault it got a bit of traction but not nearly as much as I expected (as a right winger at the time)

It’s gets out in the mental category of ‘I don’t think it impacts or can really harm me’ by people, probably combined with a sense that there is not much that can be done.

Yah, like as someone who works around the data privacy space, most companies do not actually want to be breaking the law. Obviously lot of pushing at grey areas and bad faith behavior but most big companies do have legal teams that push them to not be doing illegal things.

If people don’t care about their privacy they won’t insist on laws to protect it. I care. Put that in your stinking databank Palantur.

People forget that 90% of data collected on you is useless to the collector. Armie Hammer knows I shit my ass. Okay?? But how's he gonna sell me chicken?

A somewhat smaller minority push both repeatedly, until –

Let us be indignant regarding both cases.

How *is* Rednote doing these days

"But you're posting on a social media website!" Yes, where I dictate exactly what parts of me I share with the rest of you. I do not like the wave of verification bills, the ubiquitous surveillance infrastructure, the spyware bloat that jacks up my phone's data plan every month, etc.

oh god, it's like the people who say "why would I care if Amazon/Meta/Google mine my data? if I'm getting ads I want them to be for things I'm interested in!"

so weird to see pundits and politicians being like, wouldn't you rather have a wholesome, American data scrape over one from those nasty foreigners? Unless you're important on the international scale, the Americans knowing yr every fart is MORE threatening than the Chinese knowing same

Oh I wasn’t implying that. Just chatting. It sucks how quickly people are conceding on this.

(For the record, I absolutely think the TikTok ban should be enforced)

i would honestly rather be spied on by a chinese guy than an american tech guy, all the chinese guy is gonna do is try to sell me things, the rest of the stuff he would do with the info is separated by several thousand miles of ocean

I’m actually kind of wishing it was always the Chinese guy.

It's why I was laughing at Tiktok/RedNote spying concerns. So what? China sees that I like brain rot cat videos. Okay? Take the rest of the data from my phone too. Okay. Now what? Big deal. They can just buy my data from some data harvesting op in Silicon Valley.

Inevitably OP thinks TikTok was regulated because Zionists.

"Spying on me" has a lot more impact if you're a non citizen and not a white South Africaner. Or trans. Or dissents. People who're not going to get thier lives wrecked by spying aren't good at considered the consequences for others. It's an empathy deficit or the idea that those people deserve it

This was a lot of what I liked about Facebook back when use was culturally ubiquitous ...yes, I'm autistic, why do you ask?

Honestly, it's how I feel. When people were freaking about TikTok being backed by a Chinese company I was like... I'm way more concerned about my sociopathic government watching me than Xi Jinping. The fuck does he care about me? Oh he's going to sell me some more cheap home goods? Idgaf

Haha and then computer vision finally starts to get good and you see stories about Undesirables being automatically tracked in Madison Square Garden. I would go live in a cave but I don't want to learn to make my own liquor

And those in app browsers are all garbage too

remembering a VN called "Don't Take It Personally, Babe, It Just Ain't Your Story" where you're a teacher given surveillance tools to read all your students' private messages the twist is <rot13>gur xvqf *XABJ* guvf, gurl unir ab rkcrpgngvba bs cevinpl, naq gurl hfr gung xabjyrqtr gb chax lbh