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As much as I like Zero Mission, yuppppp I'm also ever furious at Smash Bros for doing so much damage to Samus' character by using Zero Suit Samus as a generic femme fatale character. Absolutely the worst character assassination in Smash bar none.

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ZM directly retcons the plot in ways those games don't, it lays the groundwork for OM far more than those do

just let her stay in the cool armor we all like

*her getting the armor back

the big issue imo is mostly just that after you get it back the final boss and extra lap for item cleanup just isn't very fun

prime 1 samus is kinda goated (i have not played dread)

Oh this is awful

The Samus bangs own though. The zero suit is the terrible price paid for them, but still worth it

to give retro some credit here this 100% wasn't their idea (and the model was rushed) and they redeemed themselves with prime 4 (the one good thing I'll say about that game)

also for years they kept using it for cameos in other games, why does link get a normal fit but samus gets the skintight bodysuit

I def remember the exact same thought, like it remains nuts to me that we went from the first to the second

the whole point of samus is that she's in the armor, her femaleness hidden/protected from leering eyes, left mostly to the imagination apart from rare glimpses....

specifically i think aonuma is a genuine misogynist and zelda is one of the franchises that's resisting change the most

Couldn't agree more

it's honestly so wild to me, on some level dread at least attempts to continue it but even the metroid suit at the end still feels like a bit of a step back from what fusion was doing imo

Absolutely :(((

i have never played a metroid game, but here’s my opinion anyway: it seems like they made power suit samus a character first, and a woman second, which is good. but then whichever nerd is in charge decided to remedy that with zss, which is bad

No lie when the game first came out, I was shocked by the Zero Suit segment. This is after the original game! Wow! Okay, got the new suit, let's kill this robot! That was the final boss. The game is over. That was it? Oh...................

in the zero mission concept art they specifically put a cap on her heels too idk what they were thinking with this one

Oh my god, yes. I’ve been saying that since maybe a month after ZM came out. I didn’t hate it within the game itself, but when I saw what it did to the fandom, I was mortified. Sure, we’ve always had Samus outside the suit, but shit got *bad* with the zero suit.

Idk that I'd say it's the *worst* thing but I do hate it. Like, both from a practicality perspective and from a fanservice perspective it seems obviously worse than, y'know, normal-ass underwear like she used to wear. But it's an infrequent enough appearance that I can roll with it.

genuinely need a reboot just to get rid of ZSS at this point.

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one of the few good things other m did was give samus some alternate unsuited fits, so naturally they never used them again