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honestly some of the most apocalyptic impacts of "AI" will be shit like this, and most of the doomsday dipshits predicting SkyNet can't be bothered to notice or care

arstechnica.comUnitedHealth uses AI model with 90% error rate to deny care, lawsuit allegesFor the largest health insurer in the US, AI's error rate is like a feature, not a bug.
Nicholas Grossman@nicholasgrossman.bsky.social

There have always been humans who thought: 1) The world will end soon 2) It will happen in a cool, exciting way 3) It’ll happen to me personally 4) I’ll be a martyred prophet, or a warlord, or otherwise special 5) People who don’t see this are lesser “Sexy apocalypse” is a great phrase for that

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and certainly our shit corporate press would rather make ad engagement clicks off of bullshit doomsday headlines than engage in nuanced stories about the ugly collision between corruption, automation, and regulatory capture

been telling reporter pals to watch for the head on collision between disintegrating rural healthcare and ai. the story will come twice. first as savior, then as failure.

Your post clarified something for me. When I wrote about LLMs in military targeting, a striking detail was people who followed or rubber stamped the outputs feeling absolved of responsibility. They didn't choose who to kill, they just followed the machine. Rejecting insurance claims fits that too.

Nicholas Grossman@nicholasgrossman.bsky.social

For example, LLMs are involved in military target selection. Right now. And some humans in the loop give AI recommendations a rubber stamp, expressing relief that they feel less ethically responsible. But worrying about that and figuring out how to address it is hard. "What if Ultron?" is easy.

Which is why it would be nice if the press could quickly steel itself to not using the industry's chosen nomenclature for a lot of this stuff, like "model misalignment." It's all very intentionally depersonalizing and distancing from responsibility

I see it in LLM coding use as well. The users seem to get a dopamine hit from immediate gratification, but also have an imaginary friend to pass blame onto. I’ve now heard “Claude must have…” excuses more times than I can count.

How would top diplomats, hostage negotiators, war crimes lawyers, primary school teachers, Nannies of the most rambunctious children, organized crime leaders, or regional community leaders negotiate with a rogue / misunderstood AI agent(s)? #Negotiation #Mediation #ArtificialIntelligence

AI does the one thing that really helps perpetrators of mass violence... okay two things it takes responsibility away from doing the horrible shit explicitly reinforces the frame of reference where killing for personal gain is being artificially lifted up as heroic, but the usa is expert in that

Honestly, even as a noted AI hater, an error rate that bad is likely so deliberate that you couldn't realistically describe as errors. That's just United AI-washing their normal deny everything for spurious reasons procedures.

I think it’s definitely this. They’ve taken an adaptive model and trained it to be highly error prone so that when the inevitable lawsuit hits they can point at some low level programmer and say “they did it” - then they just turn it back to 75% “errors” and say they fixed the issue.

The real horror isn't a superintelligence deciding we're obsolete; it's a mediocre algorithm deciding we're "optimized" into a permanent state of digital beige. We aren't being hunted by Terminators, just curated into oblivion.

UHC denied a new CPAP to replace my defunct 10 yr old CPAP, because they claimed no record I have sleep apnea or used CPAP, even though they covered the sleep study, diagnosis, and my first CPAP. I am now without CPAP therapy after 10 yrs of 100% compliance.

For liability insurers, there are often severe bad faith penalties for wrongly denying coverage. It forces us to be very deliberate before denying anything. If we must have private health insurance, I don't get why we don't apply the same standards.

I am 65, w spinal condition & pain severe enough to prevent me from walking at all on the bad days. Blackbox AI program, NarxCare, told my new doctor that I'd become an addict by next week if I was given proper opiod medication. The fact that I successfully used the meds for 12 yrs was irrelevant.

That's probably not an LLM, but a simpler model of classification. And that has been a problem for a long time, so there are solutions available to stop it, like audits, legislation about bias, etc.

There's should be a 20% Interest rate that applies to all wrongfully denied claims (that starts accurring when the claim is filed and continues until the claim is paid). Also need some kind of independent public adjuster for health care claims.

Our Allina doctors were on strike this week with this as one of their pillars - keeping AI out of diagnoses. Like we want a machine involved in our health care??

100% (even if things are very different now, 3 years later). If we set the bar at extinction or apocalypse, that lets the AI bros off the hook for all the dystopia their bots are still going to cause. "At least it didn't kill us all" is not nearly a good enough regulatory standard.

I mean, whether you're pushing the button to launch nukes or pushing the button to deny coverage...maybe it shouldn't be possible for any button-pushers to avoid accountability by saying "the button did it"

But also... AI doomsayers aren't really a bunch I want discussing anything about healthcare. bsky.app/profile/segy...

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Bingo; people are expecting computer software to kill us via built machines because Movies Said So. The reality is, computer software will never kill us. But other humans using that software will, because they're either too corrupt or stupid to say "this software insisted I do something bad."

And they will likely argue that the person who gets fired if they disagree with the AI "too often" actually "makes" the decision to deny care. Our legal system needs to shut this kind of responsibility washing down, and hard.

Well, in this case these guys probably replaced humans who denied claims with 90% error rate with AI that does the same. It saved a bunch of humans from possibly feeling bad about being horrible people due to their job.

I am getting shit from the mods on the technology subreddit because I shared this article there despite it being three year olds and apparently as a result it went viral on X

Exactly. The media thickos want to focus on it destroying humanity because it’s Hollywood fiction which fuels clicks. In reality there are real harms right now. AI is shit. The fact that two software companies are effectively propping up the whole US stock market is the really scary part

As some who works at a dental office in the insurance/claims department, I’m not surprised whatsoever. This just confirms anytime they deny some of them more obvious important treatment

The AI firms know this, happily taking advantage of the general public's ignorance of how computers work, much less LLMs.

kind of amazing to think this article got written without mentioning the POINT of AI was to fuck the system up and not pay out... it's not an "error rate"... it's a "non-indictable fraudulent process"

immediate misuse / harmful use problem and less immediate existential threat problem are not mutually exclusive things. AI can empower corpos to do a bunch of bad things *and then* kill everyone. .. i suppose we.. focus on "kill everyone" part because.. that's the part of the problem we know.