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Yeah, a lot of people don't care about the Flash as a character ever since that movie. He just got the causality reversed. Otherwise, Guardians of the Galaxy and Creature Commandos would be duds. All those characters were barely known before they made it on screen.

Oh no fans like me care about the Flash, we don't care about Ezra Miller and their bs and the "fans" who want the continuation of that terrible Synderverse.

Or it was the casting or it was the fact that there is a very fine tv series of the same character that this thing could never live up too, or it’s the fact that you felt the need to make Batman the draw in your film or add alternate viable reason her instead of that nonsense from the director

The TV show was 9 seasons long that is not the reason.

Heavily disagree with him on that... Wasn't the main issue with The Flash movie when it released.

So they just refuse to learn from this.

Through rain, sleet and wildfires, the Hollywood excuse factory stops for no one!

Yea that's not what happened, who TF ever cared about Aquaman more than the flash yet he had a billion dollar movie

Do the director see Ezra run? That level of denial is superior to anything I have seen as a response from a director.

With the TV show, it also helps that the Lead is a Decent Law Abiding Person

I was thinking the same thing. People like good flash stories :) and Grant was excellent playing him. #flash #DC

I’m so disappointed that film execs almost never learn the right lessons. Goddamn it all I want is a good Barry Allen Flash movie one day!

How about they don’t care about bad movies?

Yeah, guy had 184 episodes of a popular and well-reviewed television series that nearly doubled the viewership of its predecessor and spawned half a dozen spinoffs because "people just don't care".

I think it was all the crimes from its main actor.

DC does not know how to make a movie.

I think it’s more on the fact WB and DC were trying to push an abuser for their lead star on top of the fact the movie itself was just poorly made in all aspects.

I watched it opening weekend because the movie was being hyped up as a last hurrah to the Synderverse before James Gunn's DCU. It was.... okay. I found it entertaining and enjoyed Sasha Calle's Supergirl and Keaton's Batman, but the rush of gratuitous cameos at the end was too much for me.

Not to mention that the Flashpoint plot was already done plenty of times. I'm not a comic book fan, but that movie must have been at least the third version of Flashpoint I've seen.

A lot of D.C. movies aren’t good. They do get the occasional great ones. A lot of Marvel movies aren’t bad. They do get the occasional awful one. I didn’t see much promotional work for The Flash so I had zero interest in it. Still won’t bother with it.

We all care about the Flash. Just not the 2023 movie.

Fuck off with this bullshit

Cope is over 10000!

Nah. Probably because the lead actor is a creep

lol jokes on him. Flash is one of my favorite DC heroes. Dceu just ain’t great and they force fed the most problematic actor down our throats…not to mention that laughably awful cgi. The movie was held together by cameos imo. Like the flash tv casted better and had better cgi.

Face it DC sucks. When the people from marvel, or X marvel, start getting contracted for doing DC movies, you know DC sucks.

People at least knew who he was, but may not have cared much, but it was your job as a director to make people care. People didn’t care about the Guardians of the Galaxy, people didn’t even know who they were, but James Gunn got people to care.

When your directorial decision was to put a baby in a falling microwave, we don't want to hear your opinion.

Genuinely think film unfortunately compromised do studio drama studio rewrite studio reshoots, confident original script solid film🎭🍿

This deserved two reactions.

“Four quadrants” has to be the dumbest term I’ve ever heard when it’s literally just describing everyone on the planet. Here I am thinking it’s gonna be like “males 16-40, females 20-40, casual movie watchers, film bros”. 😂

I quite enjoyed it. I saw it on my own at the cinema when I was away with work and it was OK. Quite fun shit CGI and a weird Clooney cameo but other than that OK.

If that’s the case, the tv series would’ve failed too. Obviously it didn’t. Try again.

As someone who watched it, only once it was on Netflix. That wasn't the issue. The problem really truly was the team behind it not believing they could make a Flash movie without it actually being a Batman movie.

It feels like a combination of super heros market being overly saturated vs. just constant sameness with no meaningful repercussions

watching the scene where he saves everyone in reverse, out of context, was the most ive seen of this movie…… & it’s all i wanna see

Yeah, that makes sense. Who do these executives even talk to-just other executives?

Yeeeaahhhh the series that ran for almost a decade would like a word.

It’s blaming the character and the fans for a poorly behaved actor and a crappy director. The VFX in that movie are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. Not to mention more “evil speedster” garbage, which was exhausted by the TV show. But sure, let’s blame the fictional character.

Facts

collider.com/the-flash-tv...

lol yeah how long did The Flash series go on on for? 😂

nope ezra miller and the movie sucking is what caused it to be a box office failure

Oh there’s so many more reasons than that.

No it's because the movie sucked

We TOLD them all that we wanted a recast because Ezra stinks like week-old fish. They didn't listen. This is like the director putting his hand on a hot stove and being mad when it burned him after we said 'hey, fire hurts'.

Not mentioning the Ezra-shaped elephant in the room...

It’s interesting that he’s still scheduled to do The Brave and the Bold. And damn, I can’t wait to see what the new DCU does with the flash because I love the character.

If an R-rated, foul-mouthed, horny Deadpool movie could succeed in 2016 and make 782 million dollars when the only live-action appearance of the character at that point was universally despised, this could have easily been a hit in the same way... If only it wasn't, y'know, terrible.

The Flash is one of the most iconic heroes of all time. The problem lies elsewhere.

I never understood the choice of Ezra Miller to begin with. He never felt right for that part.

So it wasn't that that collection of DC movies, except for a couple, was awful. Or that the main actor was a creep. Or that they tried to shove nostalgia down people's throats. Or that it looked bad. It was the audience's fault.

Can I get dumbest thing I've heard from a director this year for 2000 Alex.

For me personally I didn't watch or support it after all the allegations and then confirmed actions I heard about Ezra. I love Flash as a character and would be amazing to have him appear in some capacity again. The flash was always the comic relief in DCU which helped to balance the dark setting.

That's right! It's all about popularity! I just remind you that the same year a movie about a physicist was released.

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lmao the flash has been my favorite comic book character since childhood.....I think we just don't like Ezra Miller

>The series premiered in the United States on The CW on October 7, 2014, and ran for nine seasons until May 24, 2023.< en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fla...

Several seasons, and it spun off Legends of Tomorrow which is a slept on silly delight.

The number 1 show on the CW for like 6 years. Carried the network on its back

I loved the show but then it got lame over time, so I fell off during the later seasons. I mean to finish it but never did. I never watched the flash movie even when it was free. I still wanna 🤷🏻‍♂️

I know I don't.

#GrantIsMyFlash⚡️

Nope, it failed because it was a bad movie.

No, it's because not only was the lead actor problematic, but also had all the charisma of a damp paper towel.

Or…and hear me out - it could be that for the last 20+ years the Marvel/DC character movies have been injected in our brains so much that we don’t care about the universes in a movie setting anymore.

Paul Rudd doesn't have a Legal Issues section on his Wikipedia page with 7 separate subsections either.

I think they may have cared about Marvel twice as much in 2015

This Flash? Yes. Also, the Ant-Man movies are fun and Paul Rudd is charming as Scott. He makes us actually care about the guy. Ezra? I don’t know this Barry Allen. And finally, when you’re a grownup, you realize you can care about more than one thing at a time, like both Ant-Man & The Flash.

That's not what the tv show says...

And I was just starting to warm up to the idea that Andy Muschietti could handle Batman.

The MCU was built entirely out of second to third string Marvel Comic characters.

Yeah, I'd say that's accurate. The Flash was not an interesting character to begin with. The movie was good, though

Bullshit. 'Nobody' (*cough* mainstream viewers) cared or even knew about Guardians of the Galaxy either, let alone probably half of the characters in the earliest days of the MCU, but they made it work.

If the MCU had started with Infinity Wars, everyone would have been like, "Who are all these people?" Flashpoint was the wrong story to start with, the wrong way to get to know the Flash.

Sure...... And it was a hot pile of garbage too. Dont blame your failure on the audience buddy.

Those of us that played the Marvel vs Capcom video games in the 90s/2000s were stoked when Iron Man was announced. PROTON CANNON!! I think we were also some of the only ones who knew who Thanos was way back then. Oof

That’s crazy. Flash is a popular character. Also, the movie was actually good. Just a lot of haters. Only real issues was some subpar cgi scenes and the lead actor being not good guy in the real world. Otherwise the story was solid, Keaton back at Batman, solid alternate world Kara, and good ending

I mean, could it be lead actor was surrounded in controversy at the time and was completely unapologetic about it and on top of the movie not looking very good that made people not even give it the benefit of the doubt?

This.

Hmm now I think it failed for every other reason except that

Can Muschetti explain how much people “didn’t care” about Barry Allen/The Flash played by Grant Gustin for, what was it, *7 Years* and the show even had a proper Finale? The problem wasn’t The Flash. The problem was who was playing him in the movies.

Sucks that Michael Keaton has to work with this.

so... it's on netflix. is it better or worse than sonic?

Fire this fucking idiot before he ruins the batman movie please 🙏🏽

He's right. Here's why: 1. The general audience largely doesn't know or care about Ezra Miller. 2. You can't call a movie bad unless you've actually seen it, unless you let critics and bloggers control your brain. 3. The Flash is a Tier 3 or 4 superhero if he's lucky. Deal with it. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe we just didn't want a movie starring a jizz-drenched serial abuser

na, OK Go made a glorious song for it, and Michael Keaton. everything else about this movie was an abject disaster. youtu.be/qybUFnY7Y8w?...

I think Andy Muschietti is an idiot and Ezra was a shit lead and the movie was shit I think we can all agree with that

EXACTLY. I only watched it on streaming to see Keaton.

Don't have a problem with Flash character, the TV series was good, apart from time travel stuff which was confusing and unneccesary. The film had one major flaw though, this also ruined Justice League too, it was the actor chosen to play the Flash. He was unlikeable even before all the problems!

I don’t like THAT flash… gimme a cutie.. a BLONDIE! Hieee…. I never connected with this guy, even before there was controversy.

I feel like this guy has been in therapy since the movie came out and his therapist got tired of saying: Maybe it wasnt a good movie? and instead had to help the director figure out something else to blame it on.

"I’ve found in private conversations that a lot of people just don’t care about the Flash as a character. Particularly the two female quadrants. All of that is just the wind going against the film I’ve learned." That is bullshit the love story between Barry and Iris is a classic.

it's never because they made a shit movie, is it

I thought the casting of The Flash had about as much charisma as a wet fart, directly up the nostrils.

I also don't care about the Flash as a concept.

The Marvel Universe makes better movies

& that is exactly why the movie didn’t do well. We had our unproblematic Barry.

Unrelated: The Captain of a US aircraft carrier claims that his ship ran aground because Italy got in the way.

There is a MANY seasoned show on the CW about the Flash. The problem was Ezra Miller and all his bullshit. I used to really like DC but I wasn’t gonna see a movie where the lead has also starred in a video where he drunkenly chokes a young woman to the ground.

And yet for some reason he gets to do The Brave and The Bold

It’s easier to say “people don’t care about the Flash”than to say “I made a bad movie for a studio that has a history of over complicating big budget films”

No they do, they just don't like it when that character is played by an actual criminal

The mere fact Muschietti thinks that shows how little he understands the character and why he was a poor choice to helm this film.