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I wonder if atmospheric websites (websites were most or all of their content is natively stored on the AT protocol) would alleviate this because there are so many places to get the content that aren’t just the website

If you run a blog, website, other publicly readable web thing: do you have any kind of noticeable LLM scraper bots problem (i.e. ongoing huge number of bot requests that you have to fight with)? If you do, what is it that you run and that they're requesting (and how are you defending)?

it's better than that, by design atproto alleviates the need to crawl entirely by providing incremental updates as a primitive (relays) this is actually what got me on here, I think it may be the only way to save the web

going by vibes mostly bc i am not really technically competent at ATProto, i have nevertheless fully committed to the idea that ATProto is to the 2020s what HTTP was to the 1990s

It's more like a modern RSS IMHO? It's RSS but instead of syndicating an XML document you syndicate a collection of JSON documents. Relays full the role of PuSH/WebSub. Bluesky is Google reader.

(I think many people struggle to understand atproto because start from the misconception that atproto is a social networking protocol. But atproto does not understand follows or likes or posts. It's a publishing and syndication protocol designed to make it easy to build social things on top of it.)

yeah, I see the parallels to RSS on technical terms but I would say that atproto's potential impact is closer in scope to the web itself RSS was poisoned by a very unix-like "worse is better" mentality, but thankfully atproto is a hard turn in the opposite direction

What makes you think RSS was poisoned by "worse is better"? Do you mean the move away from RDF? Because if so... RDF was never going to happen and y'all need to get over it.

I don't think the fight here is over rdf, but, I do think it's pretty fucking ridiculous and you should be a little less gratuitously brutal, given how atproto lexicons are really not that far askance from rdf / semantic web. The bandwagon hate train is long long long on this one.

I don't have a problem with RDF as a technology or a concept. I think it's cool and interesting in a lot of ways.

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HOWEVER. The W3C's FIXATION on RDF and the semantic web was a horrible mistake that helped lead to the W3C's loss of relevance in the mid-2000s with disastrous consequences for the open web as a whole and I'm not going to pretend it wasn't.

I definitely want the RDF people to keep existing! Somewhere where they can come up with cool ideas built on that model that can subsequently be smuggled into things people will use 😛.