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Why make a kill switch at all? Why not make the AI features first-party extensions that can be installed separately?

„Is a new toolbar button opt-in?“ I don’t know, was it already there when I upgraded and I had to turn it off? If the answer is „yes“ then it’s not opt-in. Not sure what the confusion is here.

ive already used the "kill switch" by deleting firefox

Was it the people with money (or at least people higher up the chain than the actual coders) who pushed the ai stuff

firefox constantly resets browser.ml.* in about:config. i repeatedly have to opt out of features every couple of updates. AI features are already in firefox and they are opt-out, not opt-in

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Why are AI features not opt-in today? If today they're enabled by default without prompting the user, you already missed the opportunity to let the user decide. For real transparency Firefox should show a recap of all features previously enabled automatically without the user consent.

Y'know what else is unambiguous? How harmful LLMs and GenAI are. Damn it Firefox, we trusted you.

You already had my faith. For decades. But you've already done the wrong thing here, and that reveals Firefox has already lost it's way.

It is also a spyware that steals our information and destroys our privacy, both things mozilla was supposed to protect. Can't stress enough how "it does not have AI" has been THE sales pitch for Firefox lately, it's what made people change from chrome to it and you all ruined it. And we WILL leave.

I see you don't personally work on this so, you know, hand all my ire off to whoever deserves it.

should not** float

if i turn the sloption off, i am never going to want to see it anywhere, and as far as i can tell that feature (the longpress link for summary) got pushed after all the initial blowback. which is why people have antifaith, and I think thats fair

Not sure if it is still completely up to date, but I followed flamedfury.com/posts/disabl... and haven't seen anything about AI summaries. It really shouldn't need to be this complicated.

Of course. I mean, it's not like you have a history of doing the wrong thing by sneaking in "AI" junk enabled by default with not only no kill switch but that I have to rummage in about:config to turn off. Or is it?

This isn't rocket science, and it isn't complicated, we don't want this shit, you knew that ahead of time, you did it anyways. No need for a huge thread, do better.

We're not making assumptions you dipshits, you've straight up announced you're going to do the wrong thing. Embracing this plagiarism fueled digital snake oil is a bad decision, no matter how many options you include to turn it off

Plus, it does mean they put in development effort, focus and time into all the ai stuff instead of other Browser features. Slows down improvements needlessly. Oh well.

Bruh I've already uninstalled your software across all my devices. You tanked your goodwill immediately. All I have left for you is apathy.

As an organization, drop all plans for anything GenAI-related, promise to never touch it again, and have your wayward CEO apologize sincerely and unequivocally (and, optionally, resign). That is the only way to regain this trust.

there's one way that you can regain our trust, which is to tear this garbage out and publicly commit to never doing it again.

I'll trust you if you chuck the AI garbage out for 3-5 years until the hype dies down. Then, you can sift through the ashes and salvage whatever was actually useful in this tech.

But on the other side doing some things in recent years that simply don't look good :/ I guess, the issue in the end is funding. Building a fully fleshed out browser engine is expensive as hell and when your main product is a free thing for the world, it's really hard to finance that :/

Which is also kinda worrying/sad that you aren't the one personally working on this stuff? Just the shift in communication principle between "opt-in" and "opt-out" is already a massively different approach.

Why.Add.It.In.The.First.Place? Also, why the fuck did your fucking CEO talk about it like he did? I know that you developers are not responsible for corpo shit, but the trust is ZERO right now, and your company needs to know that.

You can't with just this. Fire the CEO and roll back the AI browser bullshit, then work on actively making useful features for three or four years and ask again.

so ML was not opt-in. It was opt-out

I don't think you or the rest of the Firefox team understand how you've blown it with your user base by giving into them "AI" FOMO and sneaking in ML settings that were auto-enabled. Take it all out!

It can be both. But not all of us can be @rbreich.bsky.social with a son who is in tune with the video zeitgeist.

If you want people to trust you you need to not enshittify your product. Customization to make the enshittification less severe doesn’t cut it. Build a browser that serves its users and not any profit motive, and if you can’t do it at Mozilla, do it elsewhere. Your talent is wasted there.

you lost all our trust by embracing fascism. whether or not YOU think you're not doing anything wrong, your USER BASE DOES. you are only destroying the legacy of your product, fuck you.

I am willing to pay for services that respect my time and experience with how I interface with my computer and I’m tired of having to withdraw my support because of tone deaf decision making.

The fact that Mozilla, represented always as 'for the web', is okay with even building in the most anti-web technology ever, built around scraping all our data without us getting asked (no opt in for that). Nah. Having ai even as an option is where y'all lost all the trust you built.

Too late, just moved to Waterfox. www.waterfox.com

I've already been getting ai options and other terrible features in my browser that I didn't opt into and have had to manually turn off in the about config. I don't believe you that these will be opt in