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In addition to ephemeral messages, Wickr (NLA) notified you when a recipient took a screenshot. I think you hit the sweet spot with private messaging ala Safari. Let’s call it “Grubermode”

💯 agreed

I wonder if potential abuse is another reason for hesitation by Apple, i.e., abusive spouses, stalkers, etc.

You mention a fun visual effect for disappearing messages. They already have a great one in Safari: the “Thanos snap”-inspired atomization when using the “Hide distracting items” functionality.

I think I can’t screenshot my company Teams chats on iOS, as it my contains copyrighted and sensitive information.

Yes. You are absolutely right I thought the same thing

You're missing my point: Disappearing messages are not security theater. One of the use cases are people with stuck in abusive relationships with spouses (or parents) reading messages on the phone. Many others exist; I encourage you to do some research.

You're thinking theory. In practice, all leaked Signal/WhatsApp correspondence we saw was a case of accessing the device. Disappearing messages fix this.

....being made to look like an idiot or worse!

I read the article. Disappearing messages is unnecessary.

The kids use Snapchat for that

I would give my left ball for Apple to make a stand alone iMessage app (one not entwined with SMS or RCS). Sever it from phone numbers too, make as full featured as possible. I feel tying it all together was fine early on, but it’s time to separate it out.

If someone needs security they shouldn't send the message over iMessage.

I remember Apple getting a lot of flak about adding an ‘edit’ facility to iMessage because of the potential misuse by domestic abusers, and that informed the way they eventually did edit. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were similar concerns about disappearing messages.

Your first problem was thinking Apple cared about your miniscule problem.

Nope. No thanks. The option exists in other apps for those who want that feature, no need to eff up imessage.

And much as I hate to say it, WhatsApp is so much better at almost everything. Hardly any of the irritating bugs which plague Messages, the general slowness, the audio not working half the time, the constantly having to re-log into iCloud...

Audio Messages > Expire > Never, rather than Keep Messages > Forever.

Not sure they are going to keep pushing security and privacy at this moment… why isn’t this up to date @gruber.foo www.apple.com/legal/transp...

Probably because offering disappearing messages leads users to believe that they’re safe sending stuff they shouldn’t. Cameras exist.

Disappearing messages make me feel like I am on a mission impossible adventure of dick pics.

I mean, people can just delete their entire text threads if they want to. Personally, I like being able to search my texts for things I sometimes need to refer back to, but I always welcome choices for stuff like this

Disappearing messages is a bad thing.

Why? So criminals can safely use it?

Probably time to get a better Signal.

We need disappearing votes - when a politician morphs into something we regret electing - poof! Retroactivity required.