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UK trade unions asking for this www.youtube.com/shorts/36Wgx...

trust me. we want this to happen. it is difficult to do. also bluesky assumes i'm an oai shill constantly

I’m keenly aware.

regretfully i must agree completely

“Open source” doesn’t mean “owned by no one” … but I think you’re right that opening up the model’s training data and weights is a good 1st step. I’m not an expert on libre software licenses as they would apply to an LLM, but having a competitive, public domain AI is in the public interest for sure

But you think a worker's coop LLM would change the state of the market sufficiently to eliminate OpenAI's problematic dynamics? Isn't it possible that worker's coop LLM could suffer the same problems without significant effort? I'm not trying to completely poo-poo the idea, but it is very complex...

I mean LLMs - at least right now - need insane amounts of servers. Where is the money coming for that?

And dreaming of a world that transforms the producers into consumers. Classic. So this thread feels triply important to me.

insurance companies can't do this because it's too difficult, even if they have the budget; technical skill is a bottleneck. it 100% has to be either gov or open source

Do you think insurance companies and supermarkets have the resources / technical skills to create something worthwhile here? Do you think that would reduce the usage of OpenAI for other reasons (how people are using it today to just chat with it)?

Not really… training is still stunningly expensive and requires a ton of investment, which is why these companies want to sell a service. But I think the rest of your point is great! The bubble will burst in 6 months at the latest and AI will take a different shape.

Insurance companies have made and used AI. As for not evil, it depends on how moral you find auto-denying claims. www.ama-assn.org/press-center...

Not at all. Virtually all of those are addressable or have already been addressed by others’ efforts.

Love this. I just started thinking about what it'd take to provide an LLM to at least my neighborhood community. Do folks in this thread know good resources to start learning in this direction?

Watching the last decade of shit unfold onto the world as opposition is completely and, to my eyes, wilfully unprepared for it has been a souring experience. I’ve been working these trenches a long time. The left don’t want to do what it takes to win the 21st century, and that may well kill us all.

My point is that the willful ignorance of the political left to tech movements based on shared values, like the free software movement, has left us all poorer and in more danger than otherwise. Tbf the liberal centre also is hostile/doesn’t give a shit.

And we expect companies and investors to show awareness that they’ll get sued into bankruptcy if they release a dangerous product without any precautions…which usually has held businesses back. And yet….here we are.

Taking a more relativistic perspective, a worker-owned AI company may tend to behave in more desirable ways because working conditions, benefits, work/life balance, and community impact are now at the forefront in ways they would not be under conventional owners.

With some open source models we might be able to get close enough to the proprietary tools. Especial cause open source only lags by 9 months or so. Totally doable

not using this as thought termination, more restating the power imbalance problem; current models are so powerful precisely because they are made by people who give no fucks, competing with today's SOTA with any level of care will be quite hard and may take years, while SOTA continues to advance