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Dr Graham Walker just announced he’s leaving the bedside after 20 years. His essay, “Always Open. Already Full,” explains why. The ER is the only part of healthcare that can’t say no, so it absorbs everything upstream, and the people working there absorb the rest.

#ICU Evidence #001-002: Two septic shock trials. Two different drugs. One missing piece #Dobutamine improved kidney outcomes Earlier #vasopressin changed practice, but not mortality But who actually needed the drug? Maybe the next trial should start somewhere else:

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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One final thought: I wish we had more participation from Chinese clinicians/researchers on social media. China produces important clinical research; discussions like this would be better if the investigators themselves could join us. We are missing valuable perspectives. #emimcc #FOAMed #FOAMcc

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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My take: Interesting physiology, a striking AKI signal, and potentially reassuring short-term arrhythmia data. But this does not yet convince me to routinely add dobutamine without knowing the hemodynamic phenotype I'm treating.

And credit to the investigators: this is a good, clinically provocative randomized trial addressing a difficult question. Medical Twitter and BlueSky will always find something to criticize -including me 😄- but good studies should make us think. This one does.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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Perhaps not. Conversely, preventing kidney injury during a particularly vulnerable period could still have meaningful clinical consequences.

So I would not dismiss this trial because mortality was unchanged. But when an intervention substantially improves an intermediate endpoint, I still want to see some indication that the benefit extends toward hard, patient-centered outcomes.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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A personal note: I don't think it is realistic to expect every critical care trial to demonstrate a mortality benefit. Mortality has too many determinants, and adequately powering every ICU trial for mortality would often be impractical.

And there is an additional consideration here: dobutamine was administered only intraoperatively, for a median of 155 min. Is it realistic to expect a few h of improved hemodynamics to translate into a measurable mortality benefit weeks later?

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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Perhaps we sometimes overestimate dobutamine's arrhythmogenic contribution in septic shock? Or perhaps the underlying illness, concurrent norepinephrine exposure, & lower NE requirements with dobutamine matter more than we appreciate.

Then there are the outcomes patients care about most. ICU mortality was 13.1% vs 15.6%, in-hospital mortality 17.6% vs 20.7%, and kidney replacement therapy within 7 days 9.0% vs 10.9%. None of these differences was statistically significant.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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My point is not that vasopressin would necessarily have been better. It is that improving a renal endpoint with a vasoactive drug does not necessarily tell us which hemodynamic abnormality we corrected or whether that abnormality was present in the first place.

Another interesting observation concerns arrhythmias. Despite more tachycardia w dobutamine (41.0% vs 29.9%), atrial fibrillation was similar (2.8% vs 2.4%), as was ventricular tachycardia (0.7% in both groups). Even mean heart rate at the end of surgery was nearly identical: 97.4 vs 96.2 beats/min.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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And here is a thought experiment: what if, instead of routinely adding dobutamine, we added a fixed dose of vasopressin? Could we also produce a favorable renal signal through an entirely different hemodynamic mechanism? Possibly.

VANISH previously suggested a renal signal with vasopressin, including less kidney replacement therapy, despite a neutral primary outcome.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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So dobutamine clearly did something physiologically. But here is my problem: only 82/584 pts (14%) underwent advanced hemodynamic monitoring. Among those w paired measurements, cardiac index changed +0.5 vs −0.2 L/min/m² from baseline to the end of surgery (between-group difference +0.72 L/min/m²).

Who actually needed an inotrope? Low cardiac output? Septic cardiomyopathy? Vasoplegia with preserved/high CO? Persistent hypoperfusion despite adequate flow? The trial randomized the drug—not the physiology.

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

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A substantial part of the AKI separation came from urine-output-defined AKI. That doesn't invalidate the finding, but it is particularly interesting when the intervention is a hemodynamically active drug that may influence renal perfusion and urine output.

The physiology is interesting too. With dobutamine, lactate was lower @ 1 h (2.3 vs 2.8 mmol/L) & @ the end of surgery (2.2 vs 2.6), ScvO₂ was higher @ the end of surgery, & capillary refill time was shorter. NE requirements were also lower: mean 0.11 vs 0.15 μg/kg/min & max 0.17 vs 0.23 μg/kg/min

#ICU Evidence #001: Dobutamine during (mostly) abdominal surgery for septic shock: who actually needs it? A new multicenter RCT from China randomized 584 pts w septic shock undergoing surgical source control, mosttly abdominal, to intraoperative dobutamine + norepinephrine (NE) vs NE alone

The headline is impressive: AKI within 7 days fell from 34.7% to 22.8%. But it is worth looking under the hood: → Creatinine-only AKI: 15.5% vs 18.7% → Urine-output-only AKI: 0.7% vs 6.8% → Both criteria: 6.6% vs 9.2%

ICU Hot Takes: About once a month, I get that call from the ED. The patient has an Hb of 4 g/dL, and the hospitalist, the ED attending, or both aren't "comfortable" admitting them outside the ICU. I get the concern. A hemoglobin of 4 gets everyone's attention.

But can we agree on something? We admit patients to the ICU based on their physiology, not a lab value in isolation. In fact, when I'm told that a patient w a very low Hb is hemodynamically stable, my first thought is that the anemia probably developed gradually, even if blood loss is the cause.

Of course, a normal BP doesn't exclude ongoing bleeding or compensated shock. Context matters. But often, this is a gradual Hb drop that the body has had time to adapt to. The Hb tells us how severe the anemia is. The patient tells us whether they need the ICU. #FOAMcc #FOAMed #emimcc

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

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9️⃣ CPR can displace the Impella Chest compressions, coughing, movement, and patient repositioning can displace the catheter. Every single time we get ROSC or complete a code, we have to re-confirm depth and orientation with echocardiography or fluoroscopy before trusting our numbers.

🔟 The core ICU rule. Treat the physiology, not the monitor prompt. "Suction" tells us what the machine is feeling. It is our job is to figure out what is happening. #emimcc #foamed #foamcc

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

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7️⃣ Still in shock despite Impella? Step back and ask: ① Is the pump actually delivering effective cardiac output? ② Is there unaddressed vasoplegia or sepsis riding along? ③ Are we over-pumping a dry LV? Cranking up the P-level isn't a fix for vasoplegia.

8️⃣ Is the flow lower than expected? Walk through the sequence: Position → Preload → Afterload → Mechanical hardware Don't jump straight to device escalation when the afterload is sky-high or the inlet is displaced.

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

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5️⃣ Read the suction pattern Diastolic suction can be a clue to inadequate LV filling but it Is also associated with RV dysfunction. Continuous suction will have to make us think: Loading → Position → Anatomy → Device The waveform gives us clues, but we have to interpret the context

6️⃣ Suction + dark urine? Think hemolysis. We have to check plasma-free hemoglobin and the rest of the hemolysis markers. But besides staring at the labs, we have to look for malposition, a small underfilled LV, excessive pump speed, or mechanical obstruction. Find the cause of the shear.

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

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4️⃣ Don't forget the RV. The LV can only receive and eject what the right heart delivers. RV failure reduces LV preload, lowers Impella flow, and can trigger suction. Sometimes the “Impella problem” is really an "RV problem".

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

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3️⃣ Low preload ≠ "give fluid". Hypovolemia? Fluid may help. Severe RV failure? More fluid may dilate the RV, shift the septum to the L, and make LV filling -and suction- worse. Tamponade? Fluid is only a bridge to what the patient actually needs: drainage.

#Impella troubleshooting: 10 high-yield ICU pearls The Impella monitor flashes “Suction”. Our knee-jerk reflex says: give 1 L of NS. But what if volume isn't the problem? The exact same alarm can stem from different mechanics meaning that treating the alarm instead of the patient can backfire

Here is a step-by-step approach to troubleshooting Impella at the bedside: 1️⃣ Suction is a clue, not a diagnosis Before starting iv fluids, we have to ⬇️ the P-level while we figure out what happened. Then we should build the differential:

?Malposition ?True hypovolemia ?RV failure ?Tamponade ?Excessive support ?Structural obstruction/clot 2️⃣ Check Impella position immediately. Get the probe on the chest early. Is the inlet free in the LV cavity? Is it tangled in the mitral apparatus, grabbing chordae, or hugging the septum?

News: Yesterday, Tennessee tried to execute #ChristaPike. She survived. Until recently, Tennessee used three drugs for lethal injection: midazolam for sedation, vecuronium for paralysis, and potassium chloride to stop the heart. In 2024, Tennessee switched to pentobarbital alone.

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What we do know is that the protocol didn't work. The governor has now stopped Tennessee's remaining execution scheduled for this year and ordered a review.

As a physician, I have a hard time reading about IV access, drug protocols and physiologic endpoints when the endpoint we're discussing is deliberately killing someone. Whatever your views on capital punishment, this case deserves a very close look.

News: Yesterday, Tennessee tried to execute #ChristaPike. She survived. Until recently, Tennessee used three drugs for lethal injection: midazolam for sedation, vecuronium for paralysis, and potassium chloride to stop the heart. In 2024, Tennessee switched to pentobarbital alone.

The new protocol has a backup plan: if the first set of pentobarbital doesn't work, give a second. Pike received both. More than an hour after the execution started, witnesses could reportedly still hear her breathing and snoring. She was eventually taken to a hospital.

Tennessee says that "every step of the protocol was followed". So what happened? IV access? Drug delivery? Preparation? Pharmacokinetics? We don't know.