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what needs to be added to this is the magnitude of the falsehood. i.e Hipkins was "mostly false" by a dollar for the price of an NZ block of butter in Australia. Luxon was "mostly false" about Labour having an $18 billion fiscal hole, which is 18 billion (10 orders of magnitude) times worse

Marc Daalder@marcdaalder.bsky.social

Newsroom has fact-checked many of the claims made last night by Christopher Luxon and Chris Hipkins in the NZ Herald leaders debate, finding both made false and misleading statements: newsroom.co.nz/2026/10/15/f...

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never mind that Hipkins' falsehood was an error, a failure to account for a currency difference (despite $1 AUD to an Australian being practically equivalent as $1 NZD to an NZer) and Luxon's is a whopper of a lie, something he simply must know to be untrue, and the press equivocates them as "false"

It's the difference between mistakes and lies too. We all make mistakes, especially under pressure. Equating those with lies is really unhelpful. It also means that when people correct their mistakes it is portrayed as "does u-turn" or "walks back claims", "explaining is losing" etc. Sigh.

as you know Josh we cannot say things are lies as that is defamatory! All we can judge is the truthfulness of a statement. (and, like you say, the magnitude, but readers are perfectly capable of doing that too. the service we bring here is the research to actually check the claims.)

yes I know why the press is legally cautious, but you can still assign magnitude to things, as that falls under honest opinion. The magnitude of falsehoods matter, esp. given the false equivocation that Newsroom gives them in the headline - which as you know, lots of readers don't read past

Your subheading says "As Christopher Luxon and Chris Hipkins clashed in the NZ Herald leaders debate, a Newsroom fact check finds they both made false claims" I don't know about other people's reading comprehension skills, but I'd have said that was a perfect example of both-sidesing things.

I guess I'd like to see some analysis from the press on what the impact of these 'errors'/'falsehoods' are in terms of perceptions. For example, is Hipkins' mistake about price of cheese in Aus a cause of concern, vs Luxon's mistake about a fiscal hole? What has more significance to the debate etc?

Both sides-ing it also allows Luxon to duck individual responsibility. 'This guy lies' requires some sort of response in how we treat that guy, either as media or voters. 'Everyone lies' means nothing has to change.