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A really small, but still confusing number of people have said, with the confidence of a kid who's smoked two joints talking to a kid who has smoked one, that the Internet Archive either destroys books, or does this process and THEN destroys the books, and that's such a weird wrong fact to believe.

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We've been getting a lot of questions about how the Internet Archive digitizes books. The short answer: page by page, by hand. You may remember our viral 2021 video of Eliza Zhang scanning a book. That's still how we do it. Meet Eliza, and learn how we scan books: blog.archive.org/2021/02/09/m...

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I think it's a combo of ragebait and people assuming the worst. The company I work at got something similar pre-pandemic for contract work, but most people probably don't think much about how books are scanned.

The confidence pipeline is incredible: invent industrial book sacrifice → repeat until folklore → tell the person running the scanner they're irrelevant to scanner facts. Folklore has achieved product-market fit.

That said, the amount of people who've said a wrong thing about the Internet Archive, and I take the time to engage and say "not true" and then they go "wtf r u" and I tell them and they go "irrelevant" is also more than zero. So, I don't know, stay in school kids

I mean, maybe the Archive could do a better job of just putting trumpets on top of the building to say what a miracle things are. Millions of hand-scanned books. You can click on them right now and start reading most of them. You can select text search and search inside. M I R A C L E S

Genuinely I feel like the internet archive is not well known or understood enough. If it didn’t seem like a waste of money you could use to … archive things … I’d suggest a PR campaign.

You are not the only person, and In your case you essentially said the internet archive does something universally abhorrent that strikes at the heart of the 30 year mission goals and intent. I had to find your note to disagree.

Again, sorry, and the point I'd been trying to make with my first post was that after you digitize them you put them online for people to be able to access, rather than just feeding them into some system of LLM weights.

Not a loophole, not even codified in law. In a recent case the judge used it as a point in favor of Anthropic’s fair use defense, so everyone is doing it as a legal CYA. Notably the fair use defense is incredibly subjective, has guidelines a judge can decide to use or not, and makes things really

You can mail me at jscott@archive.org if you think you have a situation where the use of one is needed for some unique purpose.

Just an old computer manual I hadn't been able to find elsewhere. Wanting to get it scanned and available, but not wanting to destroy it any more than it has been. Trying to figure out how best to go about it.

That's infuriating, given all that Internet Archive has done and continues to do for us, that people just assume that and run with it. No good deed, blah blah, I suppose... Much gratitude for Internet Archive and all who work at it.