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China is producing 89% of the world’s solar panels, 70% of the world’s wind turbines, 83% of the world’s batteries, and 75% of the world’s electric vehicles. And they're not involved in constant wars. Coincidence?

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Yes? Sort of? A huge country with a huge economy has multiple interests, strategies and vectors of decision making. Also, they are plenty aggressive - towards their own minorities and within the region. Their commitment to renewable energy is commendable but the correlation is not really there.

I was pointing out that the logic in the original post was weak - didn't say anything about the US or its murderous imperialist history. And nowhere did I say or imply that if we followed China's lead on renewables that we had to "copy the parts we don't like." It doesn't work that way.

China actually is bullying the Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, India, and Australia, trying to wash away all the crap that china does, it's not going to bring anything good for humanity, just because they manufacture a lot of stuff it does not make them automatically great.

It isn’t about goodness. While we are tossing our money away with a war in Iran, & bombing fishing boats, China is investing in infrastructure in countries world wide. Hospitals, trains, roads. Huge investments in Africa. They are growing their food worldwide. A long term plan for world domination.

It is true that European development aid is linked to demands for reforms. Chinese aid comes without such conditions, but effectively replaces the former dependence on the former colonial powers with a new one. It is a dilemma.

You are hilarious. Why isn’t china’s economy booming? They use slave labor and still are considerably behind the US economy. Go take your communist propaganda elsewhere. I have never voted for Trump but even his economy kicks China’s ass

Not to mention China's superior public transportation, modern infrastructure & education. Here in the US, our country is run by self serving morons, we get what we deserve. Gold leaf on statues, giant posters, broken pools, dry grass & ballrooms.

China has fought wars in Vietnam, Korea, India, Tibet, represses its population, murdered millions of its citizens, and bullies its neighbors over some bullshit ancient map they’re using to claim the territory of other countries. Pull your head out of your ass.

The U.S. is held back by greedy politicians, billionaire megalomaniacs and a deep desire to turn the clock back to the land of Dixie.

Yeah and probably behind the war in Iran ( they invested millions in Trumps companies in the past). And support Russia and others in their wars, but on the low down so it makes them look good. While executing people constantly and colonising places like Tibet. It's not like they're guilt free.

They're just on a mission really to take us all ( Westerners) down a peg after what we did to them ( mostly the English) in the past. Destroyed their Empire and made them all addicted to opium. They've been planning this all for a very long time. This is not happening by accident.

China's communist regime: political survival of the party's elite is the only goal. Anything not aligned will be eliminated, sometimes ruthlessly, no matter if it makes sense socially or economically. Unfortunately, with every passing day, the US is sleepwalking towards that totalitarian reality!

how many of their citizens did they kill in #tianamensquare ? How many foreigners are they watching right now in China? Why wont we ever find out about the origination of #covid? Why do they have secret police stations in the U.S ???? What about #Uighurs in #China ? China is also not innocent

Ghina!!!! (thats what I got). I can't propose a solve for their lack of free speech without democratic bedrocks. The 1st Amendment is so important. It should be a global order. I thought we were doing so well. USAID is gone.

More importantly, they are building an entire new power grid with better technology that US developers led but abandoned in the 90s as too expensive.

No, it’s because Trump is a moron that doesn’t know how anything works. And he believes his sheer force of will can make anything true. It has nothing to do with Epstein. He doesn’t care.

I think this just means that they are better at Capitalism than we are. Funny how that shit works out. Not sure what the average Chinese worker's quality of life is like, so I can't comment on that. Could be that they just have smarter oligarchs.

Wrong m. China is at war with the rest of the world for over 30 years. They don’t use explosives, the use giving insane amount of money to new technologies until you lead the market.

Yes, China is a not a good actor. They are working towards a neo-imperialistic world order and have their sights set on taking Taiwan. Yet we in the West have become addicted to just above slave labor and lax environmental policies so that we can save a few bucks on a cell phone.

There is something to be said with the efficiency of Chinese central planning. If you want a high speed National train system—built it! Solar dominance—do it! EVs—done! No political squabbles, no endless delays. Now, if they could just get rid of their political and personal oppression.

Chinese Civil War (1927–1949) Korean War (1950–1953) Annexation of Tibet (1950) 1st & 2nd Taiwan Strait Crises (1954–1955, 1958) Sino-Indian War (1962) Vietnam War (1965–1969) Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969) Sino-Vietnamese War (1979) Current tensions:Taiwan, South China Sea, Indian Border.

US numbers probably not. But no one can beat lying antisemites like yourself: Israel exists since 1948 and bunch of the massacres you mention never took place.

You don’t pay attention to what China is doing TODAY to its neighbors because of its “seven lines” fantasy, do you? How easy simple people are to sway.

Because they are focussed on economic power and the control it brings them. The USA is all about bluster, violence and posturing at the expense of influence and credibility. Guess who's going to win in the end?

Looks like in the end we'll have to be more a bit continental about our economic needs or fall into subservience to China. -They're good about it now, but they probably won't be and they have essentially stolen so much intellectual property, largely from the US and it's many Universities.

China is speeding ahead. China is focused in becoming the next world power while the US is working hard in destroying everything they created & built in the last 250 years by idiotic incompetent men who only care about money & power. Power they don’t know how to distribute or channel appropriatly

Because the republicans wanted to "own the libs", China completely owns the renewable energy market. The world is buying panels and mills from China because GOP gut renewables

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The U.S. could have been to renewable energy what the middles east is to oil. We could have owned the market. Instead utility companies especially natural gas, coal, and oil giants donated money to the republicans, gave sweet jobs to GOP relatives and board seats. U.S. car companies shelved EVs...

Yeah, we're just gonna take these Uyghurs and just quietly make them...go away. Reeeeeeeeeeal gently now. Nothing untoward going on here. Don't trust China. China is asshole. They're equally as problematic as the US; they're just more subtle about it.

Don’t let an opportunity go past will you. There absolutely no fucking comparison between China’s “wars” as you call them and America’s warmongering. China has eaten America’s breakfast, lunch and dinner and is now eyeing up its supper dominating the world in pretty much everything except weapons.

I didn’t imply I accept genocide. I said was there is no comparison between China and America. While idealistically one politically motivated death is as bad as thousands, it is tiresome to me that The West asserts China’s HR record is bad vs America is good using the Uyghurs and Tibet as evidence.

China also doesn’t have museum full of treasures from looting all over, nor left a trail of death and exploitation from colonization around the globe. And yet, western media continues to portray the country as “troubling” and needing to be managed. 🤔

China doesn't have religious freaks to deal with, like maga USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, & Russia. The 3 evil religions are christians, jews, and muslims murdering and oppressing people in the name of their gods for centuries. Remember Jimmy Carter put solar on the roof of the White House in the 70s.

If you sit back and think about it, China is winning on all accounts while keeping quiet and allowing putin, nutty-yahoo and old poopy pants to destroy everything; then China walks in and takes whatever it wants. Taiwan will be first, and there will be no will or funds to stop them.......

Exactly. People buying into this “China is the good guy” narrative has no f*ing idea about what China is and what it stands for. China has IN FACT murdered MILLIONS of its own people - the same party still in power today did that. It hasn’t changed. It’s a police state. It’s that simple.

Spot-on! 1 month ago, the Chinese Navy started test-launching ballistic missiles in the Tasman Sea between Australia and New Zealand. WE have Chinese radicals living in both countries; they are not pleasant when one comes into contact with them. They do not hide their plans to eventually rule here.

Europeproduces almost no solar panels, and a token or wind turbines and batteries. Its car industry is crumbling and moving backward on EVs. Europe is not involved in any wars. Coincidence?

China is focused. While America gloated over Tesla, they created a whole industry that left American car makers in the dust and years behind. Their alternative sustainable power generation devices also lead the world. Trump fights a useless vanity war that only benefits him. Big difference …

The advantage of a one party authoritarian state is that strategic decisions that take 20 years to come to fruition can be made. The disadvantage is that if those decisions are wrong the government cannot be removed. China made wise decisions. The Trump dictatorship makes bad ones. So does Putin.

Because China’s profits are not made from waging wars. They build instead of bomb. But don’t tell that to the West. They have a cabinet full of brainwashing soundbites and distractions like Uyghur genocide which apparently only they only see but not any in Gaza.

And they’re building high speed rail all over their massive country. We are being left behind because of political gridlock and shortsighted leadership

Involved in? You mean not *directly* involved in, right? Indirectly, they're supporting Russia in its war with Ukraine, and Iran in its conflict with the US. For both for years now. Proxy wars are still wars.

Depends on what you mean by “involved” and “wars.” China generally avoids US-style expeditionary wars. But you might want talk with South Korea, Viet Nam, Tibet, India, The Philippines, Taiwan, Japan and a few others before you nominate them for Sainthood. (Also China and Russia are Frenemies ).

The thing I agree with you about is that we in America have stupid fucking energy policy and that Republicans love to start wars. I can't believe that they still think that tearing down the solar panels form the Whitehouse was a good idea.

America closes down Solar farms, wind farms, opens up protected landed for digging/drilling ,promotes and financially sponsors Coal and oil companies. Americans elected Trump. Is that a coincidence?

If the USA was forward thinking we could be producing solar panels... And maybe, manufacturer them in a way that is safe for the environment. And disposed of them in a useful way. That too is forward thinking.

China actually does China first. USA does terrorist invading of countries that would have had a successful revolution to demand separation of church and state if we’d left them alone. Leave Iran alone and arrest the rapist war criminal who tried to molest them.

They are also producing 90% of the electronic components to make Russia’s drones to attack Ukraine and kill its civilians. They also fund and supply North Korea, and a constant threat to Taiwan. So while not directly active in war, they are very active in destabilising the West.

Seems many if not most of my fellow Americans are blissfully unaware that the US is rapidly being left behind on the world stage on nearly every front. I don't know when the consequences will finally hit in such a way to get people paying attention, but holy fuck the US is in for a rude awakening.

Maybe lead with stupid- the rest follows. People of low IQ & EQ have those tendencies. One category missing is religion. It is the gateway to obedience & not challenging authority. “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" Seneca

While Trump is using US tax $ to pay companies to abandon renewable energy projects. Wasteful, stupid and short sighted, but the oil and gas companies want a good return on their bribe. This is just the latest in a string of anti-climate change payouts:

Well, greater focus on the long-term for sure, unlike the fossil fuel-funded 'leadership' we have to deal with at present in THIS country.

Not only that. Because the Trump administration has its head in the sand regarding the $625B per year solar panel market, ,$186B per year wind turbine market, not only is China manufacturing those things, they are getting rich from the money they get from the USA and EU from the sales.

As if the usa was any different under the other side of the duopoly. I find it hard to believe your memories are that short, the colour of the neck tie isn't the issue, the country is.

Always invading other countries Always committing war crimes Always manufacturing weapons Always funding, supplying, and protecting israel Always occupying other countries with military bases Always spying on, and destabilising other countries Always assassinating people in other countries

Well, nevyn has a point. E.g.: US troops invaded Grenada 40 times in order to remove legally elected governments on behalf of the United Fruit Company (today‘s Chiquita); the CIA and the military helped fascist Contras all over SA (Nicaragua, Chile). Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan - read for yourself.

The 'other side' was also supporting the usa continuously being war on earth The people of the usa need to either admit that they are happy being the evil empire, or they have to want to change, you cannot have both. Political parties are not sporting teams, the lesser evil is still evil.

Ridiculous. Biden kickstarted the renewables industry. Trump paid billions in our money to shut it down. There is no "both sides". If you really believe that you are a moron.

I am not mad at China. I am made at the US and at the other Western countries that are so addicted to oil that they still don't get that renewables could be making us more prosperous, more peaceful, more jobs, and more energy independent. Instead, of mfg. solar, the US is invading countries for oil

They do this to prepare for war and create chokeholds to have western countries not intervene when they take on Taiwan. They have the second highest mil spending (336 billion) with the highest 7.4% increase within a decade. They provide 90% drone parts for 🇷🇺 FPV drones and train their troops.

They use trade as weapon and systematically devalue their currency + massive (like unprecedented scale) subsidies into these industries to sell stuff super cheap abroad to bring down other countries industrial bases and create monopolies to use as chokeholds later on. Read on China shock 2.0

China occupies Tibet. Only because Tibet has no Army there is no war. China is as well stealing land from Vietnam, Malaysia and the Phillipines. All these moves are against international rights. Imperialism at its finest served by China. Pretending China is peacefull is ridiculous

It’s really frustrating that even if you decide, “I’m not buying products made in China anymore,” there are no 100% viable alternatives. It’s unbelievable how dependent Western democracies have become on a totalitarian evil regime. And China will show it's Evil, it's just waiting...

Chinese commies killed ~50mln of their own people. A school full of little girls would be just a light warm-up for them. P.S. It’s so sad that people focus only on current news and fail to keep the broader historical chain of events in mind...😔🤷

They are the dominant force in the world, where we sacrificed our production capabilities so cucks like Elon Musk and Zuckerberg could run our society into the dirt. Congrats America! The collapse is gradual, but we've been living it for nearly two decades now. Bull Moose Party 2028!

China is trying to rebrand itself as an environmental leader, if not saviour, and people are eating it up, totally forgetting about their historical and current human rights atrocities and trying to exterminate the Uyghurs. Remember not too long ago when everyone was saying “China is asshoe” and

boycott China? Just because Trump is scapegoating them doesn’t make them innocent. I don’t care how cheap their EVs are, I’ll pay more for one not made in sweatshops. And yes I know many parts are made in China, I’m not an idiot.

Yes. Besides, they are quite happy to threaten war over Taiwan, ram filipino fishing ships and brutally repress everyone who speaks up. Assuming green tech equals pacifism is a pretty weird take.

No, it’s easy. They are governed by communist party. So theirs salary are limited and all economy is underlined by the main idea: how to destroy the rest of the world. Would you like to live in this arrangement?