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fargo
@fargo.dev

Would you be willing to apply the same standard you pick for users to yourselves? I don’t condone your use of AI art, even internally. You host a community of artists. I don’t mind LLM coding, that’s distinct from genAI art, but apply it fairly. Allow categories 1-5 for creators and VRChat equally.

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scaine.bsky.social
@scaine.bsky.social

Curious why coding gets a pass? I see this all the time - people want to protect artists, but developers are thrown under the bus. LLMs can code for the same reason that they can create pictures - they've stolen billions of lines of code to learn, with no attribution or compensation.

fargo
@fargo.dev

AI art fully replaces the artist. If you generate a fursona instead of a commission, that’s direct job displacement. Code is not like that. Software is never finished, tools that accelerate development don’t replace programmers, instead they improve their speed and capabilities.

fargo
@fargo.dev

As for the training data argument, largely it is the same story. Artists almost universally do not condone training on their art, while in programming, open source and the free sharing of ideas is commonplace. There is of course complications and nuance, like licensing concerns, but that’s the gist

asie
@asie.pl

That's really not true these days. I have seen many websites and tools created from a single prompt, maybe with some back-and-forth for reporting bugs. I have been commissioned to make small things like that in the past, I probably won't be anymore. Also, a lot of software *can* be finished.

scaine.bsky.social
@scaine.bsky.social

Sure, if the coding license is honoured. But it's not. They grabbed millions of lines of GPL code and shoved it in there. No copyleft was honoured. No share and share-alike. No "must not be used for commercial purposes". That £200/month Claude license was built on "protected" code.

scaine.bsky.social
@scaine.bsky.social

I'm my experience LLMs are absolutely replacing the developers, at least in enterprises. So it's weird to me that people are cool with vibe-coding. Oh, it's just a tool to speed things up? No, CEOs see bogus stats like "43% efficiency" and they will absolutely fire 43% of the workforce.

fargo
@fargo.dev

Yes, entry level jobs are kinda broken, and people are being laid off for BS AI excuses. Some of it is a correction to pandemic-era over hiring. But the data does not support the idea that AI is taking programming jobs as a category, software employment is up for the third year in a row.

Crispy
@crispyseaweed.bsky.social

I agree with you about stealing code to train models. I'd say that, at its core, code is more of a utility than an expression or a form of communication, so maybe that's the reason for the pass. But that doesn't excuse the theft in the first place.