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If Miliband's comparatively mild, caveated, and strictly targeted criticism of Israeli settler actions are enough to endanger the UK Jewish community & unleash pogroms then: a) We've passed some point of no return. b) Successive UK governments have utterly failed in addressing antisemitism.

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​Pure low-capital rage-bait. Inventing fake rules and catastrophic threats over standard trade decisions sounds like hallucinations from internet backrooms. It's just cheap drama crafted to farm algorithm engagement when real political analysis is missing.

This is pure clickbait rhetoric designed to game the algorithm. Foreign trade policy and sanctions against illegal settlements are sovereign geopolitical decisions, not antisemitism. Conflating state diplomacy with internal hate is just ignorant engagement-farming.

I think the argument Rabbi Mirvis (not me!) is making is that by calling out Israel and the Settler Movement, Miliband was somehow legitimizing attacks on Jews as avatars of Israel in the UK.

I think that is a false assumption. By officially registering opposition to the Israeli Settler actions, it should help reduce frustration in those strongly opposed to Netanyahu's evil regime. This may actually head off more extreme individual actions.

I think more fundamentally is has long been a kind of knee jerk dogma that as Israel exists to be THE safe refuge for Jews, any criticism of or restriction on Israel threatens Jewish safety (and aids antisemites because antisemites seek to hurt Jews). It's a potent inhibitor of speech and action.

This is what truly sickens me about this, abusing the concept of anti-Semitism to prop up a frankly terrible government and stating that all Jews = Israel. Allying with right wing 'Christian' nationalists who hate Jews for short term gain. I do not feel this will end well.

I'd be interested to hear any even vaguely coherent theory of causation where the UK govt opposing the settler movement puts UK Jews at risk, but the message from Mirvis that antisemites can take to say that UK Jews *support* the settler movement against the UK govt*, doesn't. *which they don't btw

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Fwiw I will be going to synagogue for Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. At one of the shuls targeted in the recent arson attacks. As it's my first time, for security, I had to register in advance and provide my previous shul for them to check. I think Mervis's comments were completely inappropriate.

I think the best faith interpretation of his argument (not mine!) goes something like: 1) There are people looking for an excuse to be anti-semitic 2) Israel being accused of doing bad things provides that excuse 3) This is the UK government officially joining that accusation 4) This emboldens (1)

Yes, agree that that's the best faith interpretation (good effort!) Of course there are a number of flaws in that (which obviously you know...) Like, pre-supposing that it was harder for antisemites to criticise the actions of the Israeli govt or settler movement before UK govt announcement...

Vs the fact that Israeli govt, and settler, actions are widely unpopular for good reason, and antisemites use UK govt inaction as evidence of (right wing) Zionist influence. With Mirvis' statement making half of their argument for them.

This huge over-the-top reaction to what are in fact small measures (though welcome), is to intimidate countries from imposing more effective sanctions. It's the time-age "maximum retaliation to minimum threat"

Also, while I think everyone has a responsibiltiy to combat antisemitism and violent extremism, it seems dubious that Netenyahu can do and say whatever he wants - no matter how incendiary - but other governments can't criticize his actions for fear of endangering their Jewish communities.

If the argument is that Israel's global reputation is directly correlated to the safety of the Jewish diaspora then surely no one has a bigger responsibility to safeguard that reputation than Israel's Prime Minister. ... and he doesn't appear to give a shit.

I've been convinced for a long time that he *deliberately* foments anti-Semitism, violence and hatred against Jews around the world, in order to justify his actions as "Mr Security" and pushing for an ever more powerful, dominant and aggressive vision of Israel.

People seem quite happy to call out Trump for what he's doing in Iran and elsewhere, without thought of the impact it might have on Americans, or even Christians, so am I being over-simplistic to think that this is the same thing? We're surely criticising the man, not people of the same faith.

Yes we've past a very dangerous marker, it's effectively now impossible to criticise Israel and their many completely unacceptable actions without being labelled antisemitic. Exactly as Netanyahu demand, Israel are now basically above any international law.

Bibi wants perpetual war as that’s the only way he can stay in office (& keep mobilising the reserves for active service.) Greater Israel & regional hegemony go hand in hand. And forcing the diaspora to emigrate to Israel is grist to the mill for the new Trojan state that he’s creating.☹️

1/8 Beale: You want to hang the safety of every Jew on Earth on the Prime Minister’s shoulders like some holy burden? That’s not leadership—it’s scapegoating wrapped in moral wool.

2/8 No army, no intelligence service, no government can guarantee safety for a diaspora scattered under a thousand skies, facing a thousand kinds of hate.

Israel emphatically does *not* want the Jewish diaspora to feel safe. there are documented cases in the Middle East of bombings of Jewish areas carried out by Israeli terrorists, in order to spread the lie that Jews were threatened there. and so it continues, in more subtle forms

I also think that he is guilty of deliberately conflating the State of Israel with the global Jewish community for his own political and diplomatic ends, so his criticism of other governments on this score rings very hollow indeed.

"For balance" there should have been many more voices from the Jewish community in the UK that the BBC and other media outlets interviewed agreeing wholeheartedly with the drift of Milliband's statements. A significant number of UK Jews are appalled by settler ethnic cleansing of the West Bank

I thought the BBCs report this morning was pretty bad. Just stated the governments position, Milibands responses and then barrages of criticism. Only in one video snippet did it show the West Bank. Why was there no pushback on the Rabbis comments for example?