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The dialogue around LLMs is kind of broken both in terms of critique and advocacy. For critique, we need to focus on how we attack fascist tech power consistently — LLMs are only one part of that; merely saying "AI bad" has simply ended up with a lot of people using AI quietly while feeling shame...

Ben Collins@bencollins.bsky.social

People can’t just say this for literally years now and have the products it creates only positively affect spreadsheet people. Most people have profoundly negative experiences with this product because its utility remains pretty niche but targeted to the capital class.

And amongst AI advocates, there's too often the same tedious fallback to arguments of inevitability and "progress", which excuse the enabling of the bad actors in tech, and advance their authoritarian project. It's a failure of imagination, in addition to being complicit in their political goals...

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The ultimate "right" answers are going to involve complex solutions that will feel dissatisfying at first, and that's hard to get across to people. First, there isn't one killer alternative, just like there shouldn't just be "use Bluesky instead of Twitter". There needs to be a healthy ecosystem...

And all of the options in that ecosystem have to be radically different than what people think of as being intrinsic to "AI" today. It is possible to build systems that use data consensually. It is possible to build systems entirely on renewable power. It is possible to build actually open systems…

I have not seen much conversation about worker-owned AI models, nor have I seen any unions talking about collectively-owned platforms, but that's what a good alternative should look like. I do understand people will say that sounds insane; It usually takes about 7 years until people think I'm sane.

Once we have such tools, and once people have reframed their definition of what "good" AI is to be about these concerns rather than party tricks, it will be possible to have more constructive conversations. And there could be 1000s of different kinds of models, rather than just 2-3 big companies.

This is the conclusion that my (admittedly very local, admittedly very artsy) peer group landed on though! LLMs the technological concept are totally fine - if you do local, open-source models running on consensually trained data and clean energy. But "AI" as it *actually exists* is loathsome.

There are folks who are thinking about it but they're few and far between. Also generally not successful: bsky.app/profile/know...

Ted Han★ 韓聖安@knowtheory.net

I'm not going to say that this project was completely structured right, but they've broken down some of the challenges to adoption they saw for AI art built with an opt-in consent-driven use of artists' styles www.kapwing.com/blog/learnin...

Yes seven years does sound like enough for people to normalize whatever bullshit is happening right now.

This indexes into something that in my mind comes from Gebrus and M. Bender‘s work and advocacy and what I call "proper scooping". What‘s the problem that needs solving? What problem paths are we addressing? (With what desired outcomes?) Thus, where do we source the data from?

Worker-owned and operated AI and datacenters that align with ecological values is what humans desperately need but the mainstream narrative creates the wrong divide. Instead of humans vs. AI, it should be humans and AI vs. capitalism.

I think the "inevitability" frame, coming hot on the heals of the "we stole all your art and you can't stop us, peasants" opening bid, is about 50% of why everyone hates it now. I think it's intended in a larger "progress marches on" sense, but...

... I think virtually always the way it's *received* is that this specific techn is going to be shoved at us and the person saying it's "inevitable" is making a personally targeted threat. I think most don't intend to be threatening but it's really received that way. Very "lie back and enjoy it"

You won't be able to have conversations about the utility of this technology with artists, whose whole livelihoods were robbed, until there is a restitution. Bad actors and the monopolization of commercial creative industries have pushed this to a breaking point.

I've been working on the push to compensate creators for years, including building platforms for how developers can directly pay content owners. That's another reason why I think people need to actually engage in a conversation that doesn't push everything underground.

You can see that most creators don’t even trust that their work would be adequately compensated nor that they’d have enough control over how their work is used. My organization along with other photo groups are coming together to replicate this survey and advocate for creators here in the U.S.