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If they want our data they can get it anyway. There are no privacy laws and Temu has the same data. If they want to influence our elections, they can use X and Facebook.

Yeah but are they more destructive for the US than Twitter or Truth Social?

China cares a lot about its image and tiktok is seen as an example of tech leadership and soft power

The VPN business is going to take off

I gotta ask though the Russians are exploiting meta and x (x and truthsocial are now us right wing govt propaganda machines- meta coming along soon) so how are those not bad for national security as well - if that is really the argument #doublestandards #cambridgeanalytica

Adam, I respect the hell out of you, but “China bad and connected to TikTok” ain’t gonna cut it for me. What’s the threat EXACTLY!? None of this vague “well, they could use it to influence American’s opinions.” 100 million Americans are using TikTok, tread carefully

I mean, who needs Russia and China anyway? We have MAGA. They do a pretty good job on their own of spreading conspiracies and misinformation. The Russians and China don’t even have to pay them!

Are Facebook and Twitter collecting data on the Russian and Chinese citizens that are using the platforms and giving that data to the US Government? Are they controlling and influencing what Russia/China are seeing? If the answer is yes, then TikToc is just doing the same. If no, we have a problem

It's theft. Why should they sell? Is your house for sale? The NSA, telecom companies, Google, Meta.

oh fuck off. We have the owners of Facebook and Twitter literally buying favor with our current president, so why don't you shut up.

I certainly don't think that the world can afford another American oligarch owning a vast social network. That seems to be the US regulatory objective.

Neither is TEMU?

Exactly. And don’t forget the Saudis.

I'd rather give my TikTok habits to China than to Elon or Zuck.

Oh, quit talking shit; you and all of us know what is happening. Y'all are just pissed because your zionist overlords told you to be.

You noted that they don’t. I don’t think we should judge our policies by those of China. Otherwise what’s the point of the 1st Amendment? Someone please say what law TikTok violated here? And what protections do we have that trump admin won’t be able to get our data from X or Meta!

Facebook has been banned in China for nearly 16 years.

They all suck.

Same could be said for every other social media platform. Do you forget Zuckerberg giving all our data to Cambridge Analytica? Why do the Mercer’s need our data? This is all smoke and mirrors!

You haven't convinced people that an American billionaire is less dangerous.

I think they already did. That is why he changed his tune. He insisted on the ban. Now he doesn’t want it.

How about banning politics on tic toc and leave them alone?

Exactly. It got Trump re-elected, ffs. And Facebook played a huge role helping him the first time. And they’re worried about TikTok.

2) current statistics show 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 5 boys are sexually assaulted in this country! This is what is destroying our youths mental health and their lives. TikTok is a welcomed respite where people can authenticity come together.

Would you give up an international company you rose up from the ground just because Russia won’t let you offer your services to their citizens unless you sold it to a Russian entity?

All social media benefits different countries, all US based social media is similarly dodgy. Twitter being the worst and what are you going to do about it? Something I hope. Facebook helped radicalise people in the U.K. and caused Brexit. We need strong laws to control it. Not bans.

And THAT…right there…is the distinction that should allow for the everyday person to understand. Intensely sad that they don’t get it AND don’t care.

Bull, this is about Facebook and Twitter and YT wanting our eyes. How about you share a little specifics or admit you're just a shill for them?

Well why would our President elect want to stop the banning???? Ohhhh he’s an agent for Putin n China! Wake up fools!!

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Please. Zuck paid Targeted Victory to start this campaign 3 years ago. You’d ban all the apps if you were so worried about foreign government intel. Pass laws that protect our data in general rather than banning an app that brings people joy in this dystopian world.

I love TikTok. It makes me laugh, great recipes. Sometimes news 2 days before you see it anywhere else. I will be fine because I don’t live where entertainment is banned but guns are ok.

But we knew that or at least the Biden administration had

So true...

Are we going to stop playing the Pussy. Come up with excuses to block THE Chinese SM? All Biden / trump need to declare to Xi Jinping: "Listen Dude, you ban our - Google, Facebook, Aassbook,, X , Y OR Z whatever - we ban your SM. PERIOD!!!"

TikTok will absorb the loss of American followers and still make lots of money. Don't be like Tom Cotton, who made an international laughing stock of himself when questioning the CEO of TikTok. "Senator, I'm Singaporean."

But only Tiktok is owned by China.

Yes, there's a huge gap between capitalism and espionage. Why are you all carrying water for a country that overtly threatens us?

China doesn't allow our social media apps in its country. We're literally doing the same thing they do.

100%

This. Exactly. Though it's less about intel in the classic sense. Rather it's about using the algorithm to subtly get viewers to dislike and doubt our government just a tiny bit every day. Still, they'll sell and take the money if faced with it being shut down

i feel like you should migrate to X because the target community here is definitely not for this point of view… They can’t sell because of the chinese tech involved in creating the algorithm because it’s against the law 🫤 But it is totally okay if facebook/meta hands our data to direct threats!!!

I’m pretty sure there is an entire list of all the reasons tik tok is troublesome for any country

What's their strategy with Tik Tok then?

I certainly wouldn’t want Elon to buy TikTok!

That's just a one time payment though. TikTok is a cash cow through ads and everything. What a shit take.

Bull shit. I’d rather see Face Book stopped. Our private data was stolen and sold by Zuckerberg. I’m sure China already has it. Do you realize how many folks make their living on TikTok? It’s always us that get screwed. Some right wing nut job oligarch wants to buy it.

Or they think it's more profitable as a business to not sell right now...not every company is Venture-Capital-brained.

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They wont ever admit it's because we get real truthful news there as well as being able to communicate, plan, stand together... they want us dumb and complicit unfortunately

One would say that would be true about the listening technology discovered at us ports in shipyards yet I don't hear anybody doing anything about that

Trump wanted to ban Tik Tok until they gave him a bribe. Says a lot.

I wonder what the biggest worry is here. The intelligence and personal insight they can collect on any user anywhere or all the data collectively feeding their AI and how that will be used.

No maybe about it....

Sell it to Mexico. There. Problem solved!

They help spread such dangerous and toxic trends here, too. A two-fer.

Very true.

And if Jeff Yass wasn't financially connected to Byte Dance, Trump would not have flipped his position.

I’ve been lucky I guess- both Tik Tok and Twitter seemed like platforms for idiots with goldfish attention spans- so I’ve never been on them.

You are so out of touch.

I can certainly believe that the Chinese could be using TikTok for influence operations, for Chinese interests. But, .... you can be pretty sure that if the indeed sell, it will be purchased by Billionaires who will use it for influence operations (for their narrative, & DJT's)

You think they’d make more money selling the company than they would if they continued operating all over the world except in the U.S.? Are you joking? Also, what intel do you suspect they gathering that they can’t get by other means? Adam, I usually agree with you, but wtf?

I like TikTok

Kinda think we already hit the iceberg and I’ve seen how the movie ends.

I wouldn’t sell either if a foreign country told me I had to or else.

Say it again Darth!

Every social media has pitfalls one just swiped an American election. Hard to measure what is worse.

@adamkinzinger.bsky.social, use Google Translate. It's worth 10 minutes of reading snoop.ro/reteta-botil...

They also have their interest.

Xi Jinping & Trump share same desire..World domination. Emotionally, mentally, physically & financially.

The CCP is a very dangerous cult, and its brainwashing tool, TikTok, is even more dangerous because it is too hidden.

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I wonder why Tim Tok or any company for that matter, should play by the rules? It seems clear enough to me that the American voters want people who break the law rather than follow it.

This is a logical fallacy, it's called a false dichotomy. It implies that there are only two choices when in reality there is a spectrum. As much as I enjoy your stance on tRump, you sometimes remind me that you are in fact a Republican.

The tiktok ban is bull feces.

Wrong on this one chief. It's always about money.

They can't handle the truth which is given by the real journalist of the people, the tiktok true news creators!

Chinese Intelligence: "Hey that teen girl who did three spins instead of the usual two, is that a secret message?? "

Keep doing the work of a useful idiot here. All SM accounts do this shit… what fucken intel are they getting off TikTok they can’t already buy from Meta? ByteDance is privately owned… this is MSG for the 2020s

I just watch for the boys in sweats jiggle their tidbits. If china is trying to influence me, guess I’m gay now..

Well, look at why Trump wants TikTok—Easy exposure to millions of people he can easily feed a steady diet of confabulations and lies to without question. He said as much. This is about control and power not money and dance videos.

THIS!!!

Spot on. Just imagine all of biometric material they glean for facial recognition… detailed guidance for high-value targets… a huge platform to disseminate disruption in so many ways…

Intelligence is still bound to produce financial gain, but yes, what the program provides to foreign intelligence is priceless, people voluntarily giving up data, locations, making videos at work, and visiting sensitive areas, etc. X, FB, Threads does the same, but for money 💸💵💰

How can trump think the ban is a bad thing when it may be the only thing that has had huge bipartisan support, it’s the only thing republicans and democrats have agreed on in the 16 years

100% agree

They have 1 billion users, losing the u.s would only be a lose of 130 million users and I mean yeah, I’d somewhat agree they have better marketing in the American ecosystem I don’t believe it’s enough money to forcibly sell their company for that reason.

It is absolutely about the money. Media moguls don’t like TikTok because it’s free, faster, more agile & beyond their control. We are able to see breaking news here on TikTok DAYS (72 hours or more) before it makes it to NBC, CBS or ABC; 12 to 48 hours before we see it in print or on MSNBC or CNN.

But Metta and Twitter are fine? Zuck and Musk are Putin puppets but that’s ok with you?

What’s Trump’s position on the TikTok issue?

FB, Twitter, truth social, instagram are more dangerous. Remember Cambridge Analytica? Ban one—ban all. Except blue sky—open source.

Bingo.

No more so than Twitter, Facebook, et al. Musk, Zuckerberg and other media oligarchs are just as bad! They want to crush competition.

I supposed there's still suckers out there that'll pay $100 Billion for a social media company to turn it into a $10 Billion company. Perhaps News Corporation is ready to have another go at it.

Just google TEMU criticisms and your mind will be blown. It's truly scary.

So they get intel on stupid Americans, so what? Especially if it is benefiting those stupid Americans? Many people have a thriving business because of it. It is not like they are trying to plan an insurrection. Lol

China won’t allow it

TCL tvs are owned by government too. How is that not a thing.

Would love your take on this. I presume you have had access to priviliged info. What is the best outcome?

The Chinese ban all US apps and also newsprint. But I don’t believe a US app would sell to the Chinese either.

I don't know if them spying on teenagers who like to make funny videos is exactly the power move you imagine it to be lol

Right, it's about the Oligarchy not wanting the youth to share political information with one another which would enable them to organize against Republicans and others in the Monied Class. Once they shut down TikTok, the rich will ban wherever the kids go to next.

I’d be fine with the TikTok ban if we actually held other social media to some sort of standard, but we do not.