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Those are how we got our rights in the first place. That's where we were organizing. I got to just say this. I think that the whole love Simon media push of the last decade has, in fact, created new problems for the gay community

because I think that what it's done is it has made us fetishize this very particular way of being gay. As a result, a lot of younger gay men look at all the other ways, at all the other lived experiences of gay men and think that, Oh, those were just like, those are parts of a bygone era.

No, those are the reasons why we are still gay. Those are the reasons why we still need our rights. It's funny because it's the very monogamous, basically straight, but gay coupling that is shown in the Love, Simon media. It was usually not that side of things that was fighting for our rights.