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This could happen with your phone. This could happen with your laptop. This could happen with your credit card. It's a long list. Some of us have been working on this, but most large players, public and private, have stayed in fantasyland. Care to join us? www.euractiv.com/news/anthrop...

Question: so they you get European sovereignty, and then your governments decide to do the same thing. What is the difference? Why pretend that state or federal governments of any kind should be allowed to make these decisions?? Why preach a message of reaction out of fear?

That's not how sovereignty works. Sovereignty isn't state control, it's the ability to set your own rules in your own jurisdiction, whatever that may be. What collective should make these decisions? No fear, even less reaction. Just looking at pathways to freedom.

What jurisdiction exists on the internet? What borders exist? When does your control end and another’s begin? If it isn’t about state control, why call it Eurosky, and speak in phrases that clearly imply opposition to America/American tech companies? Why use the language of nationalism?

Jurisdictions exist everywhere there are people, people are inherently institution-builders. The internet isn't some weird thing that's somehow separate from IRL. I don't care that those companies are American. I do care that the internet is under the private government of authoritarian companies.

This is helpful!!! I’m looking forward to discussing this further with you!!!

Something I wanted to add: you're not wrong that sovereignty smells funny. But nationalism doesn't quite work the same way in Europe. There's plenty of nationalism amongst Europeans, but it's oriented towards their country (or even region), not the EU. In fact, they tend to be anti-EU.

The EU is a project of peace seeking to go beyond those many nationalisms. It's a pretty fucked up project full of warts but, you know, it's our fucked up project full of warts. For context, it's useful to keep some very recent history in mind while looking at what this all means.