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I think it is kinda cool that Sony has a hardcore shooter, even if it doesn't make the most financial sense, I would love to play it but that would require buying Ps Plus and... well..

Lol the game is definitely punishing with a deep learning curve....makes the successful runs so much sweeter tho.

Hell, they WANT to make sure they are rewarded for having a set crew with voice chat and 3 hours a night to run a raid or something. Progression wipe every season? No problem, they'll put in 100+ hours a season easy.

Thats oversimplifying things.....the top selling games of the year will all be live service multiplayer games.

Marathon failed at launch because companies think they hold the power over gamers and tried to cancel destiny and hold it hostage to get gamers to play marathon and now both games are dead or dying. Destiny may be getting more content (because they realised late) but the company can't be trusted.

Difficulty probably mattered, but the bigger problem may be asking a crowded market to learn a punishing new loop before giving them a reason to stay. Bungie still has time to make the on-ramp feel welcoming.

They never blamed the community.

I have played it. I loved everything about it outside of the unforgiving loop. I don’t know what that has to do with bungie and their attitude though. And their attitude up til this week was basically begging people to give it a chance. I don’t know where you’re getting “blaming the players.”

I think it failed because extraction shooters are a niche market at best.

...right...

No. Extraction isn't a full game unless you are a lunatic. They should have just made Marathon a Destiny 3 mode. Dumb shits.

😂

No pve mode at all. From a game that was Pve in the 90s.

I agree with this statement, it would be denial to say the game was easy to get on. You can have a game that is hard to master but hard to get on, for a gaas, it’s a death sentence. You need to appeal to a mass, if the entry door is too hard to push then it’s a big problem.