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“We destroyed X missiles, Y drones and Z ships” is the modern version of Vietnam body count. It sounds like victory cuz you can put numbers on a slide. But war isn’t won by destroying things. It’s won by achieving objectives. The regime remains. Nuke "dust" remains. Iran's still firing missiles

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But, You're still a conservative republican. You voted against reproductive health legislation, and during donald's first two years in office, you voted with him 99% of the time. I'm glad I don't have to vote for or against you, because I will vote for a corpse before I vote for a republican.

Greatest weapon we have is our intelligence assets guiding our leaders in diplomacy!. Trump is a mussad asset. For Mormon zionist. He is a traitor and his entire administration needs removed and tried for treason. With death penalty off the table. Otherwise, like Joseph Smith. We create martyrs

We have never, ever won a war by trying to bomb our "enemy" into submission. OK, well, there was that nuclear weapon we used to end WWII (killing hundreds of thousands of non-combatant civilians)....and we remain the only country to ever use one -- truly a moral stain on our country.

So bombing them into submission was the only real plan, I guess. Sending in the Muppets to negotiate a peace plan didn't work out too well, either. Now they want to burn our tax dollars building bigger naval targets, while simultaneously disbanding the drone warfare research team.

Enriched Uranium does not a nuke bomb make. Iran had a fatwa against nuclear weapons. Trump's attacks on Iran & lovey-dovey comments on nuke armed N. Korea, Kim Jong Un, has for sure change Iran's position against nukes. NOw question is not if, but when & maybe before Trump's term ends?

General Douglas MacArthur, a decorated commander in WWII and the Korean War, famously declared, “IN WAR, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR VICTORY,” during his 1951 farewell address to Congress. You end it with all your objectives achieved or you go home empty handed with your heads down!

Please crawl back under your rock! you’re the reason we’re in this mess: 90% voted Voted against the 1st impeachment Equality Dodd-Frank In favor of Assault weapons Concealed carry Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) Penalize Sanctuary Cities Supported Murder of other government officials

Iran funds terrorism and uses, "Death to America" as propaganda. It is not a good place to live for its people, particularly women. Our involvement has likely, long term, caused the Iranian government to be more stable and more repressive. Everything long term will likely be worse.

In short, we did the opposite of accomplishing goals. We have made things measurably worse and cost lives, readiness, prestige, and a massive amount of money. If this is Trump's definition of winning, I wish he would stop...

🤷 Trump, Hegseth, CENTCOM & Pentagon … are pathological lairs. Iranians are well-educated & smart. Iran is fighting for their existence, not for expanding the territory nor stealing resources. America should withdraw from the Middle East. It’s not our war!

Has the United States lost access to *all* of the naval military ports in the Middle East because the Persian Gulf is blocked at its mouth by the Iranians in the Strait of Hormuz? Look at the map. And that idiot Trump has threatened to bomb Oman? This may be much worse than Trump is telling us.

The "objective" should be starting normalization of relations with Iran and bringing them into the community of nations. The Obama administration accomplished that with the nuclear agreement. It was step one of fifty in establishing trust, diplomatic normalcy, and trade. We all know who blew that up

We no longer have to imagine an extremely stupid, vulgar, more cruel, and wildly incompetent version of Robert McNamara now that noted wino Hegseth is running the Pentagon.

"But war isn't won by destroying things"...Ditto Adam, no truer words has ever been skeeted, notwithstanding, "WARS" are always but always won by, never going to war, well at least thats one way, to win a "war"???

Because the sailors and pilots aren’t happy that school girls were slaughtered. They recognize incompetence and are serious about their mission. Killing innocents is against everything they believe in.

Right on, Adam. Having only fought a war with a known, planned, achievable objective (Desert Storm), I'm so grateful I had quality warfighter leadership... Not the performative, ignorant bullshit I see in our current SecDef. SecWar is a title, and hegseth didn't, and hasn't, earned it.

Watch the "Fog of War" and listen to the confessions of a man who thought he could win the Vietnam War by simply by utilizing mountains of data rather than employing fact finding and good judgement.

From this I’m hearing Republicans haven’t learnt a thing in 5 decades! Afghanistan & Vietnam were absolute 💩shows for the American people. GOP would have made $Billions from the stock market. Now it’s still on about OIL. The World is moving forwards no matter the American psyche of belligerence🇦🇺🙄🫩

Absolutely nothing trump did with Iran was accomplished, his actions negatively affect the entire world , fact Iranians were fighting against their repressive regime until trump stepped on a rake and brought the population together, killing their kids will do that

This is what happens when you have an ego running a country who is not versed in diplomacy, government and history. We have morons running the show who have made us so unsafe it's ridiculous.

Hey look the head of the CIA is in moscow. Soon the head of the FBI will be in moscow. All appointed by traitor who had 385 bank accounts closed for laundering money. Gee I wonder who he has been laundering money for??? Better wake up america. www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-dir...

cbsnews.comCIA Director John Ratcliffe on secret trip in RussiaA U.S. Air Force Boeing C-17A Globemaster III transport plane was spotted at a Moscow airport, along with a U.S. diplomatic motorcade, according to public reports.

The US assassinated their political and spiritual leader and murdered most of his family at a holiday banquet, then bragged about it while killing school children. Tell me, sir. If Russia or China had done that to the US, would you be negotiating?

Even when you win a war, you lose a part of yourself. There is no victory achievable in the current (conflict) war. Now, unless our nation is willing to destroy another or accept a humiliating exit, this waste humanity and capital will continue.

Before Adam Kinzinger was a Representative in the House he was in the military. He held the rank of Lt Colonel in the United States Air Force & then in the National Guard. When he talks on a subject it's because he's experienced. He was a #Republican he considers himself an #Independent now. 🗳️🇺🇸

The only thing missing is Kharg Island being our Dien Bien Phu. The objective “iran can NEVER have a nuke” is no more attainable than “the global war on terror(ism)”. Terrorism is an ideology that gets reborn with each generation & “never” is a very long time.

No wonder you were just a jet refueler. I have never heard a US Air Force pilot talk like such a whining unpatriotic dunce until you. You wouldn’t know the difference between the gun trigger and the pickle switch.

Yep, the Japanese sunk a lot of battleships at Pearl Harbor during WWII. The carriers fortunately went untouched. WW II revealed the battleship to be obsolete. The US destroyed the Iranian Air Force but their planes were acquired from the US in the 70s (F-4s and F-14s) and are obsolete.

It's a pedophiles war to avoid jail for epstein oligarcs. Their castle is crashing by data centers protests and uprising bsky.app/profile/nome...

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Russia oil shortage and less quality affect cars engin Beside electricity prices, toxic water and food, immigration. 47 kkkabinet creating an emergency crisis with oil shortage. He wanted Canada to kneel and offer it without conditions🖕 us Oil depots to be empty by sept. 1st. youtu.be/fCCBjZuusbw?.

This is a war that started without an act of aggression. There is no justification for this war. This is definitely not America First, though the people who voted for the occupant don't seem to realize that.

Israel wants us to nuke Iran and would prefer if we destroy our force projection capacity so the next admin can't stop the next genocide and land seizure. Then they get to keep a borderland like Ukraine to protect the imperial core against nuclear fallout. Until then their own nukes are useless.

Peace can only be achieved by understanding. Maybe the fallout from putting in puppet governments is a past problem haunting us. We never have met the Iranian people where they are. The results of forcing our way of life on the world just does not seem to work out as planned.

Wars are won by securing the peace Sir B. H. Liddle Hart reminds us: "You go to war to secure a better peace." Wars fought for revenge, regime change, & denuclearization fail to provide visions for a better peace Trump & Israel do not have a vision for a better peace with Iran or the Middle East

As an addendum, young’uns need to go back and see the US’s withdrawal from ‘Nam! It made Trump’s Afghan withdrawal seem orderly and civilized. Afghan women notwithstanding, of course. Don did that. Hurt Afghan women, I mean. Tha’s all.

I laugh a little harder on the inside every time a journalist asks an expert what ‘president’ Shitler’s exit strategy is regarding Iran. Equally amusing is the assumption that someone in this admin is aware of a ‘next step’ in the sanction journey the head dumbass thinks he’s imposing on Iran.

Well we had all our objectives met under the Obama peace agreement and Trump shit canned that during his first term in office. This should send a message to all countries negotiating with the US. Any deal last as long as a president holds office. Native Americans learned that years ago.

And our POTUS and his SEC DEF keep the lies spewing. Really disgusting the low class world level this felon asshat POTUS has taken USA to. Dream of the day he’s out of the seat and all the ridiculous self serving grift and putting his name on stuff is over!!🇺🇸